Not all the observations are explainable. However, if you take away one observation -- the claims about high-g acceleration and supersonic flight -- the following seems to fit: battery powered drones with regular (possibly quad) rotors, sea-launched (possibly from vessels disguised as merchant vessels) by a foreign power to observe US military. This would explain: FLIR footage and close range radar, but no contact on…
No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#142Is this really a surprise to anybody? UFO means "unidentified flying object", not "alien".
Aliens are demons, they don’t need special machines to fly through the air and probe people’s butts in the middle of the night.
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#143I think we need to be a bit more imaginative rather than just jumping to "aliens" every time. There are other possible explanations that are just as fun! An animal species we've never seen before, for example. Or time travelling humans. Or maybe one guy happened across faster-than-light travel in his garage and is hoarding it from everyone else.
Uh oh. Vulcans incoming.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.
My theories for why the clear ramp up for disclosure starting in 2017ish: - The US government has been studying this phenomenon for years and has recently managed to reverse engineer the technology to the degree it has real-world applications. To actually explain how we achieved those feats, it will be necessary for the public to understand where it originated from, since a lie would be obvious. - There's some really…
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with the concerns, however as someone who has been kept up a bit with the phenomenon, the main body of stuff to look at are the set of reports which involve: - Multiple expert witnesses, usually pilots or radar operators, getting visual and sensor confirmation from multiple vantage points - Air and ground tracking - High cohesion and consistency (in terms of object size, cardinality, dynamics, and timing) bet…
Don't get me wrong: I am baffled by some of the reports (especially, as you note, those that have multiple witnesses or multiple independent pieces of evidence). But of course alien civilizations—or (non-human?) co-terrestrial civilizations—are such an extraordinary hypothesis that I do not see why they should be treated as more plausible than (as you note) something like shared delusions. Let me expand upon that a b…
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.
My theories for why the clear ramp up for disclosure starting in 2017ish: - The US government has been studying this phenomenon for years and has recently managed to reverse engineer the technology to the degree it has real-world applications. To actually explain how we achieved those feats, it will be necessary for the public to understand where it originated from, since a lie would be obvious. - There's some really…
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't get me wrong: I am baffled by some of the reports (especially, as you note, those that have multiple witnesses or multiple independent pieces of evidence). But of course alien civilizations—or (non-human?) co-terrestrial civilizations—are such an extraordinary hypothesis that I do not see why they should be treated as more plausible than (as you note) something like shared delusions. Let me expand upon that a b…
I wouldn't even go that far. We have to remember where this information is coming from. This is the U.S. Military. We don't have "pilot confirmation", we have files, transcripts, and audio that are allegedly pilot confirmation. Given the amount of evidence released so far, which seems more likely? - Alien civilization - Some other form of hyper-advanced technology - The U.S. Military and/or various U.S. intelligence…
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can't imagine those water aliens would be too pleased with all the plastic we've been dumping down there.
I would imagine if they live at the deepest depths of the ocean it wouldn't even phase them. I feel like the analogy of us and space is pretty accurate. Satellites and space trash don't bother us much as they are so far above.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pollution-idU...
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
My theories for why the clear ramp up for disclosure starting in 2017ish: - The US government has been studying this phenomenon for years and has recently managed to reverse engineer the technology to the degree it has real-world applications. To actually explain how we achieved those feats, it will be necessary for the public to understand where it originated from, since a lie would be obvious. - There's some really…
These both strike me as fun but unlikely explanations if applying an occam's razor lens
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#150I wonder if we get good data in the report. The flybys of U.S. Navy ships had to have produced lots of sensor data. In particular, synchronized radar data, or electro-optical data if we're really lucky, from several ships in a task group would resolve many ambiguities. Most positional illusions break down when seen from multiple viewpoints. Some of this stuff suggests someone fooling around with drones. But whose dro…