Weird how aliens always show up around USG locations and vehicles. All the land mass in the world and some how it's always around the super militarized North America.
No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#52Is this really a surprise to anybody? UFO means "unidentified flying object", not "alien".
I've heard a lot of credulous people describing these reports as proof of aliens. To me the idea that aliens exist is unsurprising, but aliens being here would imply FTL is possible, and that would be a huge discovery!
> aliens being here would imply FTL is possible
No, aliens (or alien-made un-aliened probes) being here wouldn't mean FTL is possible. It would imply very advanced societies are capable of diverting energy into projects with very long payoff windows, but not the existence of FTL travel.
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
or they do and they don't want to say.
yeah I think it's more likely that it's some kind of experimental propulsion test that is sometimes being noticed. Like they wandered into a room above their clearance level or something. Someone on earth made these.
Can you provide an example of a past technology that was unimagined by mainstream physicists and that was sucessfully implemented in secret and kept secret for decades?
I can't think of anything.
Fission bombs were widely believed to be physically possible, were developed in secret but used publicly within several years.
I do not beleive the military has some secret antigravity, inertia modifying technology or warp drive of whatever.
These things always start with basic physics. There is no known basic physics to support such things. Therefore it is extremely unlikely that the military simply developed them from theory to implementation in secret.
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#54Is there a formal link to the report?
It is currently slated to be released on June 25th. This article is based on early details reported on by interviews with people who have seen early versions of the report.
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#55A lot of these videos have already been debunked as being visual artifacts from the cameras or parallax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#56It's hilarious watching CNN reporters pushing this UFO speculation. Don't they realize this even further besmirches any credibility they have left on other topics, like all their conspiracy theories?
I remember when UFO sightings were relegated to the tabloids like The National Enquire. CNN has sunk to tabloid level.
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#57I think we need to be a bit more imaginative rather than just jumping to "aliens" every time. There are other possible explanations that are just as fun! An animal species we've never seen before, for example. Or time travelling humans. Or maybe one guy happened across faster-than-light travel in his garage and is hoarding it from everyone else.
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#58Is this really a surprise to anybody? UFO means "unidentified flying object", not "alien".
For some reason all the news reporting I’ve seen about it breathlessly insinuates aliens without actually saying that because they’d be legitimately ridiculed. Alluding to it though brings in more viewers. Kind of disgusting.
It feels a bit like the lab-virus theory felt last year. If you entertain the notion of it you're supposed to be ridiculed and possibly kicked out of polite society, but does it really deserve to be set alongside flat earth theory and intelligent design? I'm not so sure we won't look differently at it years from now.
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#59The NYT article on the same topic includes this bit as well:
> In one encounter, strange objects — one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind — appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East Coast.
I don't place a lot of trust into reports from a single pilot out at sea because of how widespread and wacky some visual phenomenon can look to the naked eye (and even to some sensory systems). Even two pilots in separate crafts might see the same illusion. In many ways these are similar to the old fuzzy images of UFOs from fifty years ago - irreproducible results inhibit real science.
But with something this consistently observable, this close to a major metropolitan area, I'm genuinely surprised that more military or research crafts weren't sent to observe. With the full weight of the intelligence and scientific community on this - we could at least rule out some of the hypotheses.
Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal
#60Weird how aliens always show up around USG locations and vehicles. All the land mass in the world and some how it's always around the super militarized North America.
> Weird how aliens always show up around USG locations and vehicles. All the land mass in the world and some how it's always around the super militarized North America.
Let's ignore the alien-origin hypothesis and assume the report says that these were not camera artefacts. If that were the case, if these are, in fact, objects, then yes--it makes sense that they are observed most frequently (and credibly) by the military.