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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by notyourday »

WanderPanda wrote: post #78
Barrin92 wrote: post #75

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which is great. Few companies have done more for the wallet of ordinary people than IKEA.

After my last trip to IKEA I got a different impression. I get a feeling they are starting to cash in on their brand, you can get furniture with better price/quality ratio elswhere.

The founder is dead. IKEA is returning to the mean.

Steve Jobs is dead. Apple is returning to the mean.

Bezos is out. Amazon is returning to the mean.

Google founders are out at Google. Google is returning to the mean.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by dTal »

pjmlp wrote: post #151
dTal wrote: post #137

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Let's not pretend that the Play Store is malware-free. Or that the Android permissions model is flawless.

It is definitely better than default GNU/Linux installations.

What? Point me to a single piece of malware in any major distro's repositories; I'll wait.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by wdb »

chronogram wrote: post #54

> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

Happens plenty of times with US companies wanting my ID before I can access developer portals

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by trasz »

pjmlp wrote: post #155
swiley wrote: post #131

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It doesn't matter where the users are getting the software when the threat model implicitly trusts the OS vendor and makes it difficult for users to install the OS themselves. Android phones ship with malware installed as root often with no methods for removing it.

I don't consider OEM bundles malware, a practice that goes all the way back the early days of home computing. https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/games/james-bond-007-action-... http://www.bambi-amiga.co.uk/amigahistory/bundles.html

So malware magically ceases to be malware as soon as it’s preinstalled by the vendor?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by trasz »

clusterfish wrote: post #91
monocasa wrote: post #21

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Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way? And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

In all fairness, when you get flagged on HN, dang doesn't come down on you quite as hard as CCP does when you get reported for something they don't like. Giving them your app's business as a hostage does not sound very wise to me.

Quite the contrary, blocking software due to some misguided US-specific regulations is quite common on GitHub, see youtube-dl.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by trasz »

anoncake wrote: post #169
BelenusMordred wrote: post #112

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Countries have different rules, the world is a diverse place. I know that's hard for some to accept but it's how it is. Is having a button to report crime on your website some horrible end-of-the-world moment? Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. all have these buttons on their site and often don't report actual crimes occurring on their platform to the police in order to protect themselves. Gitee is simply providing a l…

> Countries have different rules, the world is a diverse place. Some countries have democratic governments, others have illegitimate ones. Some rules are totalitarian, others are not. > Is having a button to report crime on your website some horrible end-of-the-world moment? That it isn't literally the worst thing possible is hardly a convincing argument. > Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. all have these buttons on t…

> Some countries have democratic governments, others have illegitimate ones.

Sure, for example it’s not uncommon in the US to ignore the majority vote and choose somebody else for president because of a fundamental design error in its voting rules.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by swiley »

dTal wrote: post #172
pjmlp wrote: post #151

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It is definitely better than default GNU/Linux installations.

What? Point me to a single piece of malware in any major distro's repositories; I'll wait.

I'm certain stuff slips through occasionally, there's the random number generator "bug" that made it into debian a decade or so ago. The rate is fantastically lower than pretty much anything else though.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by stjohnswarts »

mosselman wrote: post #7

Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

Well those companies put a lot of money into design and customer feedback so it isn't much of a leap to think it will still work even on a new "OS", and Huawei doesn't seem to think it's bound by international copyright laws.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by foobiekr »

Lio wrote: post #94
mosselman wrote: post #7

Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

The problem is that, in general, when a company doesn't respect intellectual property laws or obviously makes use of industrial espionage (and I'm not suggesting either is true for Huawei) they are sending a clear signal that laws do not apply to them. So as a customer why would I trust any company with my most personal health, banking or own intellectual property if that company sees no reasonable limitations to its…

Just a gander at Huawei’s history is enough to conclude that intellectual property is not a concept they agree with.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by vivab0rg »

swiley wrote: post #88
chronogram wrote: post #54

> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

I tried doing iOS dev years ago. Apple had me fax them my driver's license. You can whine about the FSF all you want but I've never had to do that to use gcc.

This comment is very insightful and the comparison is sound.
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