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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by swiley »

pjmlp wrote: post #130
swiley wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yeah, I forgot about how that fixed the malware problems on the platform.

Indeeed, it is wonderful when people install outside Play Store and keep giving permissions for everything on flashlight apps.

It doesn't matter where the users are getting the software when the threat model implicitly trusts the OS vendor and makes it difficult for users to install the OS themselves.

Android phones ship with malware installed as root often with no methods for removing it.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by mensetmanusman »

roenxi wrote: post #109
Lio wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that, in general, when a company doesn't respect intellectual property laws or obviously makes use of industrial espionage (and I'm not suggesting either is true for Huawei) they are sending a clear signal that laws do not apply to them. So as a customer why would I trust any company with my most personal health, banking or own intellectual property if that company sees no reasonable limitations to its…

You might be the sort of person who takes a principled stand against intellectual property, so not see Huawei's behaviour as inconsistent with protecting consumer privacy? I don't personally trust Huawei to behave responsibly. But I don't really trust any other company either. Android is basically a Google anti-privacy play. Western IP law is arguably just a tool to delay Chinese progress (speaking from an internatio…

Western IP law is a tool to protect the livelihoods of R&D departments, which would immediately shutter if competitors were legally allowed to bypass 10 year dev cycles.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by shp0ngle »

pmlnr wrote: post #53

The early MIUIs were something like a perfected iOS "copycat", and they were really nice operating systems. You do all know that traditional chinese/japanese art starts learning by copying for years, right? Different cultures percieve copying at a very different level - deal with it.

Xiaomi is not Huawei.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by indymike »

roenxi wrote: post #109
Lio wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that, in general, when a company doesn't respect intellectual property laws or obviously makes use of industrial espionage (and I'm not suggesting either is true for Huawei) they are sending a clear signal that laws do not apply to them. So as a customer why would I trust any company with my most personal health, banking or own intellectual property if that company sees no reasonable limitations to its…

You might be the sort of person who takes a principled stand against intellectual property, so not see Huawei's behaviour as inconsistent with protecting consumer privacy? I don't personally trust Huawei to behave responsibly. But I don't really trust any other company either. Android is basically a Google anti-privacy play. Western IP law is arguably just a tool to delay Chinese progress (speaking from an internatio…

> Android is basically a Google anti-privacy play.

Nope. Android is a mobile OS and is pretty well done versus the many other oses it replaced.

> Western IP law is arguably just a tool to delay Chinese progress (speaking from an international perspective)

I'm pretty sure IP law wasn't created to "slow down Chinese progress". It is there to provide an incentive for invention and creativity. The whole point is to grant a limited time where an inventor can profit with minimal competition so it slows everyone's progress. But to say IP law targets China is at best mistaken.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by throwaway210222 »

rjzzleep wrote: post #97
mosselman wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah of course the same way Western world feels "dirty" because they copied Yoga or patented indigenous herbals or any number of other things? I don't think the comparison holds at all: Yoga is something people do in many different ways, not a specific product, nor is 'the western world' a single entity. When I do Yoga I am not selling my attempt at whatever 'real' yoga is for profit. This comparison might have mad…

Maybe a better example would be when a US company patented basmati rice and wanted to extort India into paying royalties and almost succeeded with it: https://sciencebusiness.net/news/72228/The-story-of-the-basm...

…or like India broadcasting the IPL cricket back to England?

Because, either no one can clone and customise, or - god forbid - everyone can.

[Oddly its the latter idea that seems to bother many people, even though its clearly and objectively less prejudicial].

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by dTal »

pjmlp wrote: post #130
swiley wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yeah, I forgot about how that fixed the malware problems on the platform.

Indeeed, it is wonderful when people install outside Play Store and keep giving permissions for everything on flashlight apps.

Let's not pretend that the Play Store is malware-free. Or that the Android permissions model is flawless.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by slver »

chronogram wrote: post #54

> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

Look when you have a hostile foreign power destroy your entire business and and force you to retool most of your software stack, you get kinda restrictive with people inspecting your new stack coming from that country.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by slver »

mithusingh32 wrote: post #99
nirui wrote: post #92

> Forking Android is not a big deal, and huge companies like Amazon do it for its FireOS. The difference is that Amazon is upfront about it and says "FireOS is a fork of Android" in the first paragraph of its developer documents. Huawei's developer documents don't reference Android and are mostly pure gibberish—and by that I mean they are paragraphs of buzzwords and circular links that don't actually communicate any…

I don't think so. But it is a Chinese company so its not the first time where they basically just did a copy and replace. Google doesn't wants to piss off the Chinese govt either by trying to shut down Huawei.

Huawei devices shipped with Android before the US banned them from doing so. Whining that they copied an open-source as product as a result is the height of hypocrisy.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by slver »

velgewp wrote: post #124

So "Harmony OS" is official, but I don't get it. - Their watches run a "LiteOS kernel" - Their tablets and phones run a Linux kernel - An "open Harmony" project exists with an actual HOS kernel, but doesn't currently run on any devices - Yet all of these are somehow Harmony OS?

Brand names are not a hash on the source code of the kernel, so they can do whatever they want.
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