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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by clusterfish »

monocasa wrote: post #21
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way? And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

In all fairness, when you get flagged on HN, dang doesn't come down on you quite as hard as CCP does when you get reported for something they don't like. Giving them your app's business as a hostage does not sound very wise to me.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by nirui »

> Forking Android is not a big deal, and huge companies like Amazon do it for its FireOS. The difference is that Amazon is upfront about it and says "FireOS is a fork of Android" in the first paragraph of its developer documents. Huawei's developer documents don't reference Android and are mostly pure gibberish—and by that I mean they are paragraphs of buzzwords and circular links that don't actually communicate any technical information about what the OS is or how it works.

One question: IF there is a CHANCE that the entire OS is indeed just a `sed s/Android/whatever/g AOSP/`, is it legal (for a company that large) to do that?

If it is, please call me the creator of RobotOSxxx OS (Which really fuzzwords could not may Android) from now on.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by redis_mlc »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #40
suction wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet as a European I wonder - what with the neofascist takeover attempts powered by post truth and fake news (aka "harmful information") that were successful in Russia, and will probably some day be successful in the US...maybe China is on to something good here?

It already is successful in the U.S. We just had a coup attempt back in January because an angry mob was convinced that our presidential election was rigged. I don't really know what to do about the misinformation other than systematically destroy the internet: just start smashing routers and cutting cables and don't stop until everything goes back to normal.

> We just had a coup attempt back in January

No, Trump was already President. Repeating false leftist talking points doesn't make them true.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by Lio »

mosselman wrote: post #7

Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

The problem is that, in general, when a company doesn't respect intellectual property laws or obviously makes use of industrial espionage (and I'm not suggesting either is true for Huawei) they are sending a clear signal that laws do not apply to them.

So as a customer why would I trust any company with my most personal health, banking or own intellectual property if that company sees no reasonable limitations to its behaviour in any other sphere?

The original purpose for branding was to allow customers to identify food products they could trust. The same is true for technology.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by teddyh »

swiley wrote: post #89
flakiness wrote: post #46

Huawei has "OS Kernel Lab" in their research division [1] and seems to do real research, including building an OS kernel. I guess they at least tried to ditch Android at a point. I'm not supporting their PR strategy. Just interesting to see where a corporate research goes. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=huawei+OS+Kernel+Lab

The Linux kernel is the singular decent component of Android.

Was. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27280567

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by dragonelite »

1_player wrote: post #71
chronogram wrote: post #54

> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

> uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers What?! The Chinese government has found the cheapest way of building records on foreign citizens: just ask them to give you their credentials and anything that can be used to impersonate you. They'll do it. How are people even doing that on purpose? Man, fuck that.

Ever traveled outside of your own countries a lot of airports have facial recognition entry/exiting ports that will scan your face and your passport.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by rjzzleep »

mosselman wrote: post #52
Santosh83 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah of course the same way Western world feels "dirty" because they copied Yoga or patented indigenous herbals or any number of other things? Perhaps it's time we recognised ideas and concepts are meant to be taken up and extended by other people? That's how humans have progressed these thousands of years. Not by paranoid, corporate silos and NIH syndrome and draconian patents.

> Yeah of course the same way Western world feels "dirty" because they copied Yoga or patented indigenous herbals or any number of other things? I don't think the comparison holds at all: Yoga is something people do in many different ways, not a specific product, nor is 'the western world' a single entity. When I do Yoga I am not selling my attempt at whatever 'real' yoga is for profit. This comparison might have mad…

Maybe a better example would be when a US company patented basmati rice and wanted to extort India into paying royalties and almost succeeded with it:

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/72228/The-story-of-the-basm...

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by loulouxiv »

Barrin92 wrote: post #75
MomoXenosaga wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is copying sure but SELLING FOR LESS. Why is Xiaomi in second place now in Europe? Because their phones are cheap. They are the IKEA of smartphones.

which is great. Few companies have done more for the wallet of ordinary people than IKEA.

Well I am not sure if it is the case in the long run. In the last century, furniture used to be robust enough to last decades, and could therefore be given for reuse by your descendants or acquaintances. Ikea furniture tends to breakdown much faster.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by mithusingh32 »

nirui wrote: post #92

> Forking Android is not a big deal, and huge companies like Amazon do it for its FireOS. The difference is that Amazon is upfront about it and says "FireOS is a fork of Android" in the first paragraph of its developer documents. Huawei's developer documents don't reference Android and are mostly pure gibberish—and by that I mean they are paragraphs of buzzwords and circular links that don't actually communicate any…

I don't think so. But it is a Chinese company so its not the first time where they basically just did a copy and replace. Google doesn't wants to piss off the Chinese govt either by trying to shut down Huawei.
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