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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by throwaway6421 »

monocasa wrote: post #21
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way? And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

> Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way?

https://github.com/Huawei

> And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

Traditional moderation systems are built to handle abuse, such as threats, stalking, and spamming. Chinese moderation systems are built differently. As the title "Illegal and harmful information" suggests, they're primarily built around suppressing speech that is deemed politically undesirable. If you're interested in the details, I highly recommend you read the article written by someone who worked at 抖音, China's TikTok [1]. Oftentimes Chinese platforms are extremely responsive to reports about political speech, but are sluggish or do not respond at all to reports about abusive behavior. The Chinese systems are just designed differently, and are usually connected or even run directly by the government. e.g., if you click through on Gitee, you end up on a page run by the "Cyberspace Administration of China" [2].

[1] https://www.protocol.com/china/i-built-bytedance-censorship-...

[2] https://12377.cn/

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by dragonsh »

FrozenSynapse wrote: post #29
Santosh83 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah of course the same way Western world feels "dirty" because they copied Yoga or patented indigenous herbals or any number of other things? Perhaps it's time we recognised ideas and concepts are meant to be taken up and extended by other people? That's how humans have progressed these thousands of years. Not by paranoid, corporate silos and NIH syndrome and draconian patents.

wtf? How can you copy Yoga?! You can copy a design language tho

Oh sure a specific set of exercise or regime which has a specific effect on body can be a copyright or patent depending on the media and the way they are presented. Like people talking about Ashtang Vinyasa Yoga, Viniyoga, Kundalini Yoga all can be patented in a specific way e.g. [1], obviously need to pay lawyer fee and go to courts to determine later if it can be used to earn money when other party who need to pay do not agree. It waste resources, hamper growth and dissemination of knowledge.

If someone patented the Decimal System or Abacus or Gun powder or Pythogorus Theorem or Fibonnaci Series or Newton patented its laws of motion and anyone using this laws and formula's in any system needs to pay royalty not sure what weird world will be.

Human knowledge stand on the giant shoulders of others and patent and copyright with ever-greening and useless litigation are making it hard and difficult. Can't fathom someone can copyright a rectangle drawing and sue phone companies for launching rectangle phones.

[1] https://patents.google.com/patent/US8605152

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by monocasa »

throwaway6421 wrote: post #41
monocasa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way? And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

> Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way? https://github.com/Huawei > And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here. Traditional moderation systems are built to handle abuse, such as threats, stalking, and spamming. Chinese moderation systems ar…

> > Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way?

> https://github.com/Huawei

Yeah, there's been a few pushes, but has been pretty dead for at least a year. They pretty clearly stopped using it for the most part once they were put on the entity list.

> Traditional moderation systems...

I don't really see anything structurally different there versus western site moderation tools. It's totally valid to discuss china's political issues, but the fact that a 'contact the mods' button exists doesn't really further that discussion in a meaningful way.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by throwaway4good »

qmmmur wrote: post #17
throwaway4good wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be cool if we could discuss the technology for once instead of spinning into a geopolitical discussion or meaningless copycat allegations which likely will lead nowhere.

Yes because software exists in a vacuum? The software is being discussed, and it's a monumental failure that it is hosted and distributed and used the way it is.

Because hn has got qualified opinions on technology and not so much on politics. The politics is just drowning any form of signal here.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by monocasa »

dragonsh wrote: post #42
FrozenSynapse wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wtf? How can you copy Yoga?! You can copy a design language tho

Oh sure a specific set of exercise or regime which has a specific effect on body can be a copyright or patent depending on the media and the way they are presented. Like people talking about Ashtang Vinyasa Yoga, Viniyoga, Kundalini Yoga all can be patented in a specific way e.g. [1], obviously need to pay lawyer fee and go to courts to determine later if it can be used to earn money when other party who need to pay…

Jeeze, that's one of the most egregious patents I've seen in a while. Hopefully it wouldn't stand up in a post Alice Corp world.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by flakiness »

Huawei has "OS Kernel Lab" in their research division [1] and seems to do real research, including building an OS kernel. I guess they at least tried to ditch Android at a point.

I'm not supporting their PR strategy. Just interesting to see where a corporate research goes.

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=huawei+OS+Kernel+Lab

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by NicoJuicy »

Santosh83 wrote: post #13
mosselman wrote: post #7

Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

Yeah of course the same way Western world feels "dirty" because they copied Yoga or patented indigenous herbals or any number of other things? Perhaps it's time we recognised ideas and concepts are meant to be taken up and extended by other people? That's how humans have progressed these thousands of years. Not by paranoid, corporate silos and NIH syndrome and draconian patents.

Patents by the "western world" is a solution to secrecy.

It's not perfect, but i don't think there's a better way. Corporate silos is exactly what it's trying to fix.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by drcongo »

swiley wrote: post #6

>Only Secure Apps Apply >When you enable Pure Mode on HarmonyOS 2, only apps that have undergone the stringent testing for listing in the HUAWEI AppGallery can be installed. And for an even higher layer of security, installed apps are constantly monitored to detect potential risks and security infringements. At least you can turn the BS down on this one unlike iOS. Also that page lagged a bit on my pinephone.

No page lag on my kids' iPhone 4s.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

riffraff wrote: post #34
Santosh83 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Acknowledgement is lip service, especially decades after the fact. If they provide significant compensation, then yes. There is hope for better days for China too, but not by portraying them as unmitigated evil. I can't think of any significant nation that has caved to orchestrated, vested moral outrage and said "sorry you guys... we'll hold elections next years and play by your rules henceforth", especially when the…

> I can't think of any significant nation that has caved to orchestrated, vested moral outrage and said "sorry you guys... we'll hold elections next years and play by your rules henceforth", Governments regularly cave in due to protests in democratic countries. It happened in the Netherlands a few months ago, for example. Moreover, it's fundamentally important the fact that protests exist. Comparing any western democ…

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by bumbada »

Santosh83 wrote: post #10
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Can't the US govt achieve similar levels of censorship by serving NSLs and shutting a piece of information down? They perhaps may not need do it as rigorously as China because the real power lies in private mega-corps. As long as they survive, any old President will do, as long as he's not a loose canon like the last one. I still can't think of a…

You have no idea what you are talking about. No idea.

I have lived in China. Freedom of press and Rule of Law(they don't exist in China) are amazing inventions.

You just don't have an idea how lucky and spoiled you are. I recommend you volunteer helping refugees just to get a glimpse of how the world works outside the West bubble.

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