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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by TeMPOraL »

WanderPanda wrote: post #77
dragonsh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh sure a specific set of exercise or regime which has a specific effect on body can be a copyright or patent depending on the media and the way they are presented. Like people talking about Ashtang Vinyasa Yoga, Viniyoga, Kundalini Yoga all can be patented in a specific way e.g. [1], obviously need to pay lawyer fee and go to courts to determine later if it can be used to earn money when other party who need to pay…

> Human knowledge stand on the giant shoulders of others and patent and copyright with ever-greening and useless litigation are making it hard and difficult. Can't fathom someone can copyright a rectangle drawing and sue phone companies for launching rectangle phones. How is this even an argument, given that patents expire?

> How is this even an argument, given that patents expire?

These days, many patented technologies expire faster than patents on them. In those cases, patents are quite literally halting progress.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by BelenusMordred »

serf wrote: post #73
BelenusMordred wrote: post #67

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It's basically the report button on github. This 1 hour old account clearly has an axe to grind. The criticisms aren't even decent.

>It's basically the report button on github. No, it isn't. The report button for github goes here.[0] A github hosted feedback/review system. The link on gitee goes here[1]. A website ran by "Central Information Office Network (National Internet Information Office)" , Beijing. If you can't spot the difference in methodologies then I'm not sure what else to say. [0]: https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?cat…

Countries have different rules, the world is a diverse place. I know that's hard for some to accept but it's how it is. Is having a button to report crime on your website some horrible end-of-the-world moment?

Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. all have these buttons on their site and often don't report actual crimes occurring on their platform to the police in order to protect themselves. Gitee is simply providing a link elsewhere for people who have a problem with content.

A UK man on youtube taught his dog to salute and got arrested for it because people reported it. A pregnant woman in Australia was thrown in jail for organising an anti-lockdown protest on Facebook. Many locals cheered these events on with gusto.

The people who decry the oppression in China, also actively support the suppression of opposing views and jokes back home. Maybe we aren't so different after all.

If you want to rant about Chinese laws without hiding behind the pretext of mobile OS discussion, make a proper HN thread about it or write a blogpost mate.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by whoevercares »

> but China doesn't do huge amounts of software development.

It’s actually the first time I rethink whether there is a shortage of developers in China or not. Sheer amount there are tons of developers and the tech industry is pretty huge in China. However most are doing “application development”, definitely lacking experts from several fundamental domains (kernel, cloud backbone, etc).

Another aspect is they earned much less compared to US though still 1-2x for other type of jobs. However, many senior/principal engineers in FAANG still went back because the scope is substantially larger (you oversee 5-10x more headcount normally)

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by pjmlp »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #68
533474 wrote: post #55

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Let the best win, isn't that our modern capitalism's answer? If Huawei is copying they will always lag behind. Still, are they really copying? or are they piecing innovations together into a new improved product? Give them a break and a chance to bring something new - sanctions and all, it is pretty impressive they have persevered.

China is copying sure but SELLING FOR LESS. Why is Xiaomi in second place now in Europe? Because their phones are cheap. They are the IKEA of smartphones.

They might be, but are available to the common user and come with updates, unlike Pixel on most European countries.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by breakfastduck »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #110
breakfastduck wrote: post #108

The only possible explanation for the way Huawei design their UI is to try and trick the non tech savvy into thinking they're buying something that runs the same software as Apple products.

You underestimate the cognitive ability of the masses. 10/10 of people I know buy for the brand.

Well that's exactly my point. They're entire marketing & product strategy seems to be to convince people their stuff has the same reputation / quality as Apple.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by pjmlp »

swiley wrote: post #89
flakiness wrote: post #46

Huawei has "OS Kernel Lab" in their research division [1] and seems to do real research, including building an OS kernel. I guess they at least tried to ditch Android at a point. I'm not supporting their PR strategy. Just interesting to see where a corporate research goes. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=huawei+OS+Kernel+Lab

The Linux kernel is the singular decent component of Android.

On the contrary, the way Android forces security best practices, by allowing native code only to be used for implementing native methods, enabling all security mechanisms by default, use containerized applications and moving away from ossified POSIX APIs (except for what ISO C and ISO C++ require) are Android's best features.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by EvilEy3 »

pmlnr wrote: post #53

The early MIUIs were something like a perfected iOS "copycat", and they were really nice operating systems. You do all know that traditional chinese/japanese art starts learning by copying for years, right? Different cultures percieve copying at a very different level - deal with it.

Deal with what? It just looks like a cheap knockoff. Abibas of smartphones.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by als0 »

teddyh wrote: post #95
swiley wrote: post #89

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The Linux kernel is the singular decent component of Android.

Was . https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27280567

Technically, “was” is wrong because the new Nest Hub doesn’t run any part of Android. These are Flutter apps targeted specifically for Fuschia. There’s no evidence yet that they will run Android on top of Fuschia.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by trasz »

mithusingh32 wrote: post #99
nirui wrote: post #92

> Forking Android is not a big deal, and huge companies like Amazon do it for its FireOS. The difference is that Amazon is upfront about it and says "FireOS is a fork of Android" in the first paragraph of its developer documents. Huawei's developer documents don't reference Android and are mostly pure gibberish—and by that I mean they are paragraphs of buzzwords and circular links that don't actually communicate any…

I don't think so. But it is a Chinese company so its not the first time where they basically just did a copy and replace. Google doesn't wants to piss off the Chinese govt either by trying to shut down Huawei.

Isn’t the whole reason for Harmony to make sure Google can’t shut down Huawei?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by EvilEy3 »

throwaway4good wrote: post #85
yorwba wrote: post #80

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You could try submitting the documentation/demo page for that new JS UI framework.

I did submit this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27378926 Which has some example code - as I understand it the apps will look just like android apps.

Fancy! I don't understand who would in their right mind, except for web devs, prefer this to Kotlin + Compose.
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