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In what way are Israeli arabs treated differently under Israel law than Israeli Jews?

Israel heavily disputed its responsibility to help with vaccination efforts of the same arabs of the territory it's annexing, so yeah, that's not great.

Israel offered its vaccines to the Palestinian Authority, and the PA refused them.

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People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Many of the same countries that have all but eliminated their own Jewish populations somehow find Israel's very existence to be unpalatable, going after them in t…

it’s really strange… You don’t think there’s anything about it’s recent creation that makes this a special case?

Nothing to do with Israel's recent creation, many states have been created recently without them being targeted by neighbours for mass destruction and genocide.

What makes it strange is sense of normalcy people (sorry, I mean racists) have about a sense of white / Islamic supremacy over Jews, that makes them think it's ok to say things like 'we will wipe every Jew off the face of the planet' etc.

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Being Jewish is also multi-tiered because it's associated with both a religion and an ethnicity. I'd love to popularize being thought of Ashkenazi and not Jewish. I don't have a familial bond with Israel for probably 17 centuries and I don't really care if I ever did. My culture is more strongly associated with Eastern Europe and we were run out of town on a rail 100 years ago.

If you were your ancestors who were "run out of town on a rail" you would care very, very deeply about your familial bond to Israel. Like yours, my family was run out of town. Unlike yours, many in my family did not run fast enough. If only there was a place they could run to either as first resort or when quota had been reached in other places. If only there was a place that could make running a specific people out…

I acknowledge the darkness of history and a desire for security in territory owned by the group you identify with. However, Israel is now repeating history by displacing present-day non-Jewish people who also have familial bonds to the territory.

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If you supported the firing of Antonio Garcia Martinez this should make you happy. If you thought that Apple overstepped their bounds by punishing a new hire for old creative work, this should outrage you, too. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency in peoples' views on these two closely related incidents. Why?

I am outraged, but on the other side for me the whole diversity industry is parasitic with undertones of blackmail. And I am generally speaking fan of poetic justice.

Which puts the whole situation as the old joke said "what is mixed feeling - seeing your mother in law drive off the cliff in your new Ferrari"

Another thing if we go more nuanced is that this "don't fire people for stupid shit" is something of a detente. I view it as pragmatism, not unbendable moral conviction. So if you have broken it, you are no longer protected by it. And let's be honest - chances of a person in this position not having a lot of outrage in his public social accounts is quite slim.

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Wow, 14 years ago. I hope the current progressive correct-thinkers realize the takes they make today have to hold up over a decade from now, otherwise the next wave is going to cancel them.

And that is why I stopped calling myself a progressive years ago. In my youth I thought progressive meant trying to continually better yourself and your community. Now the focus seems to be on cancelling any viewpoint that conflicts with yours. The new trend of digging further and further back in the past makes it even more counter to my previous beliefs of the word

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It is Anti-Semitic in that he is lumping all jews in with Israel. I am a Jew, America is my homeland. I live here and am an American. I am not an Israeli. I give almost zero thought to Israel in my day to day. Jews are consistently labeled with an "other" tag, we are not Americans, we are Jews and Israel is our country. Also "If I were a Jew I would be concerned about my insatiable appetite for war and killing in def…

Replace jew with 'israeli' in every occurance. Who's fault is it that israel intentionally tried to muddy the water and make the word confusing? I don't see any anti-semitism here. I see here concern that israel does not care about the humanity of their neighbors.

He said Jew, not Israeli. He is intentional in the use as the entire article is about Jews and Israel. Also the person in question is not an idiot, he is a mature adult smart enough to work in stem at Google. Your argument essentially absolves any anti semitic statements / actions by blaming the Jews for it.

This is exactly the definition of anti-semitism, and now I am speaking about your words, not his.

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Slightly shocking that he didn't get fired. (yet?) They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research. Bobb goes on a clearly antisemitic rant, and just gets reassigned. Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

> They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research

Damore was asked for his feedback on Google's diversity policies, and that's exactly what he provided.

Most of Damore's critics haven't actually read his memo[1], but rather formed an opinion based on the character assassination campaign against him, a campaign his employer publicly sided with.

Over the 4 years since the controversy I've asked countless Damore critics to point to the specific part of his memo that was tone-deaf, insensitive, or bigoted. I'm still waiting for an answer.

[1] https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

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You are in a tread this very moment that shows proof of his opinion.

In what way? Most people here seem to agree that it is perfectly possible to criticize Israel without being anti-semitic.

Most but not all apparently, though I don't think it's as bad as the one you reply to seems to imply. E.g. there's already some 'a lot of anti-Israel is also antisemitism' sentiment creeping in in some comments, without data to back that up.

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Here is a classic case of someone conflating the state of Israel and Jewish people and lumping it all together. Plenty of Jewish people that live both inside and outside of Israel are critical of the state. People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. His comments are offensive for this reason.

Israel, a nation with a strong national identity, a small nation not a multinational organisation, generally governed by right wing governments, hugely successful in terms of meritocracy, good entrepreneurial spirit.

Filled with a nation of people persecuted for millenia, who have been victims of racism forever, who yet become massively successful, and don't act like victims.

Yes, I understand it's a ridiculously annoying example that counters every woke left ideal. Can't blame the woke for being anti semitic.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Here is a classic case of someone conflating the state of Israel and Jewish people and lumping it all together. Plenty of Jewish people that live both inside and outside of Israel are critical of the state. People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. His comments are offensive for this reason.

His bigotry goes beyond that. Kamau Bobb's blog posts were almost exclusively about White and Jewish people, and the theme throughout is the mistreatment by them of Black Americans. There is a very clear tone of distaste for white and Jewish people in his posts.

Search for the word "white" or "Jew" in his blog [1] posts to see for yourself.

[1] http://kamaubobb.blogspot.com/

Since Google supports "cancel culture", Kamau Bobb needs to be fired.

> The cost of elite education for our children is extraordinary. I dropped my beautiful black star into a sea of white children and it hurt.

> among the increasing number of white women holding leadership roles in the academy and in the public and private sector, they surely see younger versions of themselves in the next generation of white girls. It is a natural instinct to want the very best for them.

> In a nation with a history such as ours, that imagery is connected to a much longer and darker legacy – a legacy where white men have abused black women and girls with impunity.

> I do not need to be convinced that diversity and excellence are intimately interwoven. But what of my White counterparts? I really do not know how White people learn about Black or Hispanic people in ways that are honest

> Perhaps it is time to focus the inquiry on our White counterparts. They may well feel marginalized by the shortage of academic inquiry into the complexity of their changing American citizenship alongside people of color. Their sense of self-efficacy may be undermined by their pending loss of majority status.

> I was learning about the resilient spirit of black people in America in the context of white American barbarism.

> It is still true that white people kill black people in America with impunity.

...and he's been accused of racism before: http://kamaubobb.blogspot.com/2011/08/accused-of-being-racis...

It goes on and on...

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