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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #37

Slightly shocking that he didn't get fired. (yet?) They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research. Bobb goes on a clearly antisemitic rant, and just gets reassigned. Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

>Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

Simple explanation is Google's Democrat-leaning leadership are more aligned with Bobb than Damore (in the US, the left are generally anti-Israel while the right support it, and the left are pro-affirmative-action while the right oppose it).

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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The post is now deleted, but is available at https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamau...

Repeated here for clarity:

> If I were a Jew today, my sensibilities would be tormented. I would find it increasingly difficult to reconcile the long cycles of oppression that Jewish people have endured and the insatiable appetite for vengeful violence that Israel, my homeland, has now acquired. This reconciliation would be particularly difficult now, in November, 79 years after Kristallnacht – the Night of Broken Glass. The anniversary of this dreadfully monumental day in my history would bring me pause. It would force me to reflect on the legacy of extraordinary human suffering. I might wonder how the vicious eruption of cruelty in the mid-twentieth century has influenced the shape of my identity as a Jewish person and our collective identity as Jewish people.

> Suffering and oppression typically give rise to sympathy and compassion among the oppressed. I can look upon the sufferer and know that, “there but for the Grace of God, go I.” During this period I might well reflect on the redemptive qualities of suffering that my people have learned through a ghastly set of lessons. I would not have to reflect alone, I could read the lessons explicitly from Elie Wiesel, Anne Frank, or Chaim Potok. I would conclude that my Jewish faith and the history of my people render me closer to human compassion; closer to the instinct to offer healing to hurt, patience to anxiety and understanding to confusion.

> I don’t know how I would reconcile that identity with the behavior of fundamentalist Jewish extremists or of Israel as a nation. The details would confuse me. I wouldn’t understand those who suggest that bombing Lebanon, slaughtering Lebanese people and largely destroying Beirut in retaliation for the capture of a few soldiers is justified. I wouldn’t understand the notion of collective punishment, cutting off gas, electricity and water from residents in Gaza because they are attacking Israel who is fighting against them. It would be unconscionable to me to watch Israeli tanks donning the Star of David rumbling through Ramallah destroying buildings and breaking the glass.

> I would be confused in concept too. My faith would lead me to believe that Israel is the homeland of my people. My intellect would convince me that it cannot be that simple. The faith and reason of the Palestinians or of Muslims cannot simply be baseless. I would have to believe that the degree of animus, vengeance and violence that they now carry is not rooted in their identity, but rather in their experience; in the sordid nation shuffling and rebuilding that took place after World War II. It must be rooted in their hurt, in their sense of displacement, abandonment and hopelessness.

> My reflections on Kristallnacht would lead me to feel that these are precisely the human sentiments that I as Jew would understand; that I ought to understand and feel compelled to help alleviate. It cannot be that the sum total of a history of suffering and slaughter places such a premium on my identity that I would be willing to damn others in defense of it.

> If I were a Jew I would be concerned about my insatiable appetite for war and killing in defense of myself. Self defense is undoubtedly an instinct, but I would be afraid of my increasing insensitivity to the suffering others. My greatest torment would be that I’ve misinterpreted the identity offered by my history and transposed spiritual and human compassion with self righteous impunity.

> kamau

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #3

> Instead of firing him, though, Google is moving Bobb into a STEM-focused role. That's surprising, but I think it's good. He's obviously not viable in the diversity role, but there's no reason to go ballistic over a 15 year old blog post.

Imagine being a Jew and suddenly finding this guy not only not-fired but on your team. I'll take hostile work environment for 1000, Alex. Thing is, I wouldn't want to work with this person at my company period.

I would.

As long as he can keep his work and private lives seperate, and doesn't let these opinions infiltrate the work life, all is fine.

Just like kinky sex is fine for someone at home, but a fireable offence if done in the office.

If I saw him write stuff like this in an internal memo, that would be the time to fire him.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #3

> Instead of firing him, though, Google is moving Bobb into a STEM-focused role. That's surprising, but I think it's good. He's obviously not viable in the diversity role, but there's no reason to go ballistic over a 15 year old blog post.

Imagine being a Jew and suddenly finding this guy not only not-fired but on your team. I'll take hostile work environment for 1000, Alex. Thing is, I wouldn't want to work with this person at my company period.

I'm a Jew. If he apologized publicly and it was a long time ago, I think it would be ok. We have to be able to give people second chances and the ability to evolve their views. If someone was a neo nazi as a youth and grew out of it and regretted their past then they should be allowed to live a normal life. Preventing this just leads to more radicalization.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

#66

Will be interesting to see how Google handles other old examples of people writing things perceived to be offensive. Apple clearly has taken the opposite approach, with the firing of Antonio Garcia Martinez. While the google employee's comments are clearly anti Semitic, one can hope he has changed since then and give him another chance. We are too quick to condemn people for life due to their past mistakes. With that…

> one can hope he has changed since then and give him another chance I... can't help but think that, had he been a member of a different demographic, he would have just plain been fired.

Almost certainly. The last 13 years has created a double standard.

White: Guilty until proven innocent, and even then, still guilty.

Person of color: No, that’s wrong, people of color cannot be racist or prejudice, what they said was taken out of content by someone who is racist.

That’s the new paradigm.

Racism, prejudice, and bigotry, of any kind, by anyone, is just wrong.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

#67
post #37

Slightly shocking that he didn't get fired. (yet?) They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research. Bobb goes on a clearly antisemitic rant, and just gets reassigned. Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

They are entirely consistent. They succumb to pressure from their far left employees, which don’t like insensitivity to the Jews, but abhor any take that conflicts with their “diversity = equal outcomes” nonsense. There is no room for thought even remotely consistent with conservatism, whether or not it’s consistent with scientific consensus.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Will be interesting to see how Google handles other old examples of people writing things perceived to be offensive. Apple clearly has taken the opposite approach, with the firing of Antonio Garcia Martinez. While the google employee's comments are clearly anti Semitic, one can hope he has changed since then and give him another chance. We are too quick to condemn people for life due to their past mistakes. With that…

> one can hope he has changed since then and give him another chance I... can't help but think that, had he been a member of a different demographic, he would have just plain been fired.

Unfortunately you are probably right.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #37

Slightly shocking that he didn't get fired. (yet?) They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research. Bobb goes on a clearly antisemitic rant, and just gets reassigned. Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

Well, they can't afford to fire another person from an under-represented group, it'll really screw up the percentages :)

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. As long as you (the general you, not you specifically) subject all countries that (allegedly) mistreat their citizens or neighbouring countries to the same level of criticism. When you single out the world's only Jewish state for criticism it looks kinda racist.

South Africa's Apartheid was condemned as human injustice, so should Israel's Apartheid, no?

In what way are Israeli arabs treated differently under Israel law than Israeli Jews?
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