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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Indeeed, it is wonderful when people install outside Play Store and keep giving permissions for everything on flashlight apps.

Let's not pretend that the Play Store is malware-free. Or that the Android permissions model is flawless.

It is definitely better than default GNU/Linux installations.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Let's not pretend that the Play Store is malware-free. Or that the Android permissions model is flawless.

It is definitely better than default GNU/Linux installations.

It's definitely not. I'm certain I can install and use tools like git on a fresh GNU/Linux install. I can't say the same about Android.

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> uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers What?! The Chinese government has found the cheapest way of building records on foreign citizens: just ask them to give you their credentials and anything that can be used to impersonate you. They'll do it. How are people even doing that on purpose? Man, fuck that.

Ever traveled outside of your own countries a lot of airports have facial recognition entry/exiting ports that will scan your face and your passport.

this is a textbook false equivalence. Travelling hinges on the ability to verify your identity. Using a piece of software does not and must not require sensitive documents like a passport.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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It is definitely better than default GNU/Linux installations.

It's definitely not. I'm certain I can install and use tools like git on a fresh GNU/Linux install. I can't say the same about Android.

That is completly unrelated to security.

But just to tease your goal post move action, 99.9% of people using Android don't care about using git on their phones, and even if they would.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aor.pocket...

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Indeeed, it is wonderful when people install outside Play Store and keep giving permissions for everything on flashlight apps.

It doesn't matter where the users are getting the software when the threat model implicitly trusts the OS vendor and makes it difficult for users to install the OS themselves. Android phones ship with malware installed as root often with no methods for removing it.

I don't consider OEM bundles malware, a practice that goes all the way back the early days of home computing.

https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/games/james-bond-007-action-...

http://www.bambi-amiga.co.uk/amigahistory/bundles.html

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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You might be the sort of person who takes a principled stand against intellectual property, so not see Huawei's behaviour as inconsistent with protecting consumer privacy? I don't personally trust Huawei to behave responsibly. But I don't really trust any other company either. Android is basically a Google anti-privacy play. Western IP law is arguably just a tool to delay Chinese progress (speaking from an internatio…

> Android is basically a Google anti-privacy play. Nope. Android is a mobile OS and is pretty well done versus the many other oses it replaced. > Western IP law is arguably just a tool to delay Chinese progress (speaking from an international perspective) I'm pretty sure IP law wasn't created to "slow down Chinese progress". It is there to provide an incentive for invention and creativity. The whole point is to grant…

IMO developing countries are hurt by IP mostly. China has shown a way to use market to trade for IPs, which I think countries like India can do, but small developing countries will not be able to follow this example.

In order for developing countries to develop, they have to jump out this loop. With the exponential development of technology, the absolute gap between developing world and developed world will be so huge that they will never have a chance of reaching the same level.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

> Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. My sample size is tiny, ymmv etc. but a few big-Chinese-company-designed products I've bought (DJI drone, wireless security camera) have been like that. Not "thanks for buyin…

The US market is much more accepting of this data collection by the Chinese.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

> Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. My sample size is tiny, ymmv etc. but a few big-Chinese-company-designed products I've bought (DJI drone, wireless security camera) have been like that. Not "thanks for buyin…

I don't know about "accepting," but China has some very strict "real identity" rules and laws when it comes to accessing just about anything connected to the internet. It is authoritarian.

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It's definitely not. I'm certain I can install and use tools like git on a fresh GNU/Linux install. I can't say the same about Android.

That is completly unrelated to security. But just to tease your goal post move action, 99.9% of people using Android don't care about using git on their phones, and even if they would. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aor.pocket...

If you only bother with what software people care about why allow installing code outside of the browser? That would much more effectively eliminate security vulnerabilities.

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> Forking Android is not a big deal, and huge companies like Amazon do it for its FireOS. The difference is that Amazon is upfront about it and says "FireOS is a fork of Android" in the first paragraph of its developer documents. Huawei's developer documents don't reference Android and are mostly pure gibberish—and by that I mean they are paragraphs of buzzwords and circular links that don't actually communicate any…

> One question: IF there is a CHANCE that the entire OS is indeed just a `sed s/Android/whatever/g AOSP/`, is it legal (for a company that large) to do that?

Only replacing the string would probably not be enough, but if they also addressed trademarks and copyrighted stuff wouldn't that be more or less that CentOS does ?

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