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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#672or welcome to the UK/London trap... 650 usd / month for daily commute to work (45-60min train+tube) because you are not 20 and want to have more than a shoebox shared shit within the city limits or have family. Add to that ridiculous food prices and fully criminal housing market both rent or buy(keep dreaming)..WFH is a super solid relief...yes I miss hallway chat the most.. and quicker to help people but still no comparison to the commute shitshow. I told many times to upper management that operative offices do not need to be in central London.... maybe now something will shift. To be honest nothing needs to be even in the UK... place is becoming a larger Singapore, finance and corps, rest is services for slaves with no hope of building a normal life, 1 to 1-3 times is the healthy ratio between yearly wage and property, here is like 1:12-14 ... complete criminal (they will have to lie to tell you that can finish paying it) and classist (only rich fucks or upper middle class kids with mommy and daddy bank can ever buy anything) if you ask me.
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#673Earlier quoted context omitted.
Commutes also cost the one thing we can't get back; time.
Sometimes people say they're making a time trade off for more money, and plan to use that money to buy more time. While money is fungible, time is not. You can't buy more time with your kids while they're young if they're already grown. You can't buy more time with someone who has passed away. And you can't buy your way out of missed opportunities in your personal life, once they've gone they're gone.
Chap at work (at his home,rather!) has spent the last 15 months making and eating breakfast with his children every day.
He's not coming back to the office. No way, no how. He's seen a better life.
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#674Earlier quoted context omitted.
1.Interesting, the vast majority of these are not work related for me. Maybe one a year is in some way useful 2. I would contest that with sufficient quality screen share this simply so marginal it's dismissable 3. This makes several assumptions about personality and socialising and isn't always the case. Forcing people to see each other does not create social closeness. Sustaining good friendships over instant messa…
>I save 4 hours a day lost to transport being forced to listen to podcasts and have more meaningful work and play time as a result. Man, people are really starting to stretch their commute times. Actually no, I save 8 hours a day commuting! No, 16! No, 350395803 hours! Let's be 100% honest: you did not spend 4 hours a day commuting pre-WFH. You just didn't.
2 hours both ways is below average for me. I gave a conservative estimate. At my previous job it was an hour and a half. Pretty normal here in the UK if you dont live in London.
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#675Earlier quoted context omitted.
1.Interesting, the vast majority of these are not work related for me. Maybe one a year is in some way useful 2. I would contest that with sufficient quality screen share this simply so marginal it's dismissable 3. This makes several assumptions about personality and socialising and isn't always the case. Forcing people to see each other does not create social closeness. Sustaining good friendships over instant messa…
People should realize that wfh is highly dependant on self-discipline. Some ppl have it, some dont. (Actually only very small % of ppl have high self-discipline). Due to this all corporations will and are going to try to “control” ppl simply because most of them cannot control themselves.
You talk like its not a learned skill. Outsourcing your self discipline to a company if you do anything remotely related to tech should mean developing it is a top priority. Impulsivity is to a large degree a dimension of Extraversion, also.
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#676Earlier quoted context omitted.
For extra points, bite on a fake blood capsule beforehand.
Just say out loud "why can't I taste anything?" No need to invest in a blood capsule. Even with vaccine, there is 1-2% to contract covid. Even you can't die, you will still be scared to give it to your kids.
Are you braindamaged?
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#677Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, for one thing only _one_ of you needs to commute. Secondly, you can work towards a situation where you don't have that commute, or it's cheap / clean / easy / you don't lose all the time. Spoiler: live on a trainline or buy a bicycle. Third, I don't believe this is the main reason for commuting. I think it's because people want to live in one place and work in another, which is usually a bad idea - especially f…
> Secondly, you can work towards a situation where you don't have that commute, or it's cheap / clean / easy / you don't lose all the time. Spoiler: live on a trainline or buy a bicycle. Does "commuting" only mean "driving in a privately owned car" where you are based? I'd consider travelling by rail, bus or bicycle to also be commuting.
Depends, often commuting is seen as this long, arduous thing to get to work. When I was going to the office, it was a 15 minute bike ride along canals. Technically a commute, but it doesn't feel like it, and it doesn't take a significant amount of my day. Really, it's a nice small amount of being outside and getting a little exercise and was kinda relaxing, so a net positive.
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#678Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, for one thing only _one_ of you needs to commute. Secondly, you can work towards a situation where you don't have that commute, or it's cheap / clean / easy / you don't lose all the time. Spoiler: live on a trainline or buy a bicycle. Third, I don't believe this is the main reason for commuting. I think it's because people want to live in one place and work in another, which is usually a bad idea - especially f…
> Secondly, you can work towards a situation where you don't have that commute, or it's cheap / clean / easy / you don't lose all the time. Spoiler: live on a trainline or buy a bicycle. Does "commuting" only mean "driving in a privately owned car" where you are based? I'd consider travelling by rail, bus or bicycle to also be commuting.
The word commute literally comes from ticket prices being commuted for regular travellers (holder of a commutation ticket)
I.e public transport
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#679I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…
"The reason other people should do a 2hr+ commute each day is because I function best in an adult kindergarten"
No self-respecting person would never publicly (and proudly no less) say they:
- Need supervision - Require frequent interactions / reassurance from colleges - struggle to maintain their personal lives - Cant form their own routines
There is mounting pressure to stop WFH and its coming entirely from those at risk of WFH, namely those who need the office as a place to be seen.
Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September
#680I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…
* Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation.
- I hate being distracted by hallway conversations. They're just a way to avoid work for most people.
* I often do/did paired programming, and over-the-shoulder code reviews. These are easier in person
- They are easier to do online imo. There's no need to sit next to each other.
* Having a workforce socially close improves productivity because everyone wants to step up for each other.
- My team has gotten closer to each other during the pandemic than ever before. I think your point is highly subjective.
* Being seen by my fellow employees helps keep me from becoming distracted.
- Sounds like you need to work on that. If you need other people to monitor you to make sure you're doing work...
* Working at the office helps prevent home life from being distracting during work hours.
- Again, probably something you need to work on.
* I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity.
- I think most people spend the same on food and drinks, since companies do not provide it for them. Maybe they even spend less, since they have more time to cook at home. Electricity is negligible for me at least. It's way less than I spend on commuting.
* I enjoy the routine.
- I find it insane.
* I had a stronger work/life separation. I rarely turned on my work laptop at home.
- I'll give you that. But for me personally this has not been a problem at all.