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Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by ck2 »

qPM9l3XJrF wrote: post #31

I'm reminded of this recent viral Youtube which depicts what is apparently a routine occurrence in South Africa: A professional gang, armed with heavy caliber weapons, executes a sophisticated highway ambush in an attempt to capture a vehicle loaded with cell phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvqDF3Wujc I watched an interview with Leo Prinsloo, the star of the video. He mentioned that although this incident we…

Yeah but in the philipines they went from extra-judicial killing of drug dealers right to extra-judicial killings of drug users.

They also have outright literally terrorists living/hiding on some of the islands, so the unlimited force thing obviously isn't a solution.

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Post by josephcsible »

qart wrote: post #125
CryptoPunk wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Edit: I wonder how imprudent it was of me to not use a VPN'd account to write this comment. Unless they can hack HN servers to check its logs, I don't see how they'd track down the IP from where your comment was submitted from.

They don't hack. The send legal notices to the companies. They have sent legal notices to get people on Google, Facebook, etc. I still wrote my comment assuming that HN is obscure enough for them not to be aware of it.

Why would a site hosted outside of India respond to a legal notice from India?

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by TimTheTinker »

edgyquant wrote: post #157
iammisc wrote: post #146

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What? You can definitely find jobs to eat in Mexico. This is the silliest take. It's not like the villages suddenly don't have land to grow food on

I mean, I didn’t say you couldn’t. But that doesn’t change the fact that cartels are businesses and the reason for these terrible things aren’t because the people are evil but because it’s their livelihood. I’d also wager that working for a cartel pays a lot better than working on a farm in Mexico. It also isn’t a “take.” When you start throwing around words like evil you are demonizing the enemy which you should nev…

It's not so much demonizing someone as calling a spade a spade.

These cartels are built on an explicit disregard of ethics and human rights. People in these organizations are encouraged to commit bloodshed against innocent people.

To say that's not evil is a grave ethical miscategorization -- and those who fail to label evil accurately can't help stop its progression.

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by edgyquant »

riekus wrote: post #218
edgyquant wrote: post #74

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This is a serious accusation you have no proof of, it doesn’t belong here.

There is plenty of proof that the CIA facilitated cocaine transports to get their weapons in Nicaragua?

We are talking about current cartels in Mexico, not Iran-Contra

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Post by edgyquant »

brodo wrote: post #178
edgyquant wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a serious accusation you have no proof of, it doesn’t belong here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_co...

The Iran-Contra affair is irrelevant to the topic at hand

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Post by ipaddr »

boterock wrote: post #105
ipaddr wrote: post #93

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"Typical case of a northern country exploiting a southern country" Like Canada exploiting the US. Or Columbia exploiting Chile. Or Sweden exploiting Denmark. Typical? No...

US and Canada are very into southern politics, to do a lot of coal/oil/etc mining very below the actual worth, because it is always so much cheaper to lobby local politicians, who get elected year after year because they control the big media chain, making the whole circle of corruption and then labeling it democracy and capitalism

Big media is controlled by big players in the US as well. People stopped trusting the media. The people seem to be falling for it in your country. Is there anything you can do to educate them? Without a population who questions all is lost.

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Post by vkou »

narrator wrote: post #99

The problem with saying legalization will solve everything is the legal industries, such as avocados, are subject to extortion by the cartels. So if you legalized drugs you'd just have cartels extorting the legal drug makers and have the same amount of violence and gang activity. Some areas where the local militia has replaced the police now exist because the police are too demoralized, corrupt or scared to protect t…

Without high-margin profits from drugs, cartels can't maintain the manpower and incredible level of violence necessary to extort avocado growers.

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Post by raincom »

qart wrote: post #100
qPM9l3XJrF wrote: post #31

I'm reminded of this recent viral Youtube which depicts what is apparently a routine occurrence in South Africa: A professional gang, armed with heavy caliber weapons, executes a sophisticated highway ambush in an attempt to capture a vehicle loaded with cell phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvqDF3Wujc I watched an interview with Leo Prinsloo, the star of the video. He mentioned that although this incident we…

For an Indian example where the links between crime and government are more direct, there was a recent scandal where a disgraced Mumbai Police Commissioner wrote an open letter where he said his (also disgraced) subordinate was tasked by the state's Home Minister to extort 13 million USD from the city's businessmen every month . Heck, I assumed that nearly all politicians and a lot of policemen here are thoroughly co…

When PRI (Partido Revolucionario Institucional) ruled Mexico, things were stable. There was a plaza system. Whatever you see in India today is a microcosm of such a plaza system in Mexico. As PRI lost power, also because of the kingpin strategy used by the USA, Mexico is in shambles: emergence of many ruthless cartels. Many believe that Ex-president Carlos Salinas and his brother made billions from such a collusion between PRI, plaza system and crony capitalists. For instance, people say, Carlos Slim funneled money for Salinas, etc.

"Narcotrafficking had formerly been integrated into the PRI corporatist state, an under-the-table equivalent of labor, peasant, and business organizations. As such it was subject to a certain degree of regulatory control, and to unofficial taxation, in return for the de facto licensing of smuggling (the plaza system). The state’s abandonment of this form of corporatist inclusion contributed to the independent growth and power of organized crime syndicates."[1]

1. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/mexico-drug-cartel-neolib...

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Post by thu2111 »

brodo wrote: post #181
thu2111 wrote: post #42

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Nearly all of them? This problem is not caused by some weird, out of line policy of the USA. Basically nowhere wants hard drugs on the streets. And some places that experimented with legalisation rolled it back or changed their approach. Where I live there are still quite a few places with junkie lights, remnants of a hands off approach some decades ago. It led to a central public park becoming completely taken over…

The US is the leading force in the war on drug users since the International Opium Convention in 1912. Others are complicit, but the US is the main force behind it. You mentioned that some countries legalized drugs and them rolled back. Can you give examples?

I said decriminalized, rather than legalized.

I was thinking of Switzerland and Spitzplatz in the 1980s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platzspitz_park

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Post by ipaddr »

ipaddr wrote: post #236
boterock wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US and Canada are very into southern politics, to do a lot of coal/oil/etc mining very below the actual worth, because it is always so much cheaper to lobby local politicians, who get elected year after year because they control the big media chain, making the whole circle of corruption and then labeling it democracy and capitalism

Big media is controlled by big players in the US as well. People stopped trusting the media. The people seem to be falling for it in your country. Is there anything you can do to educate them? Without a population who questions all is lost.

You should work for them. I'll give your trick a try.
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