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Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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If the reason for the rule is to avoid the submitter pushing through their viewpoint, this particular case shouldn’t be a problem. The “Y Combinator” part is a reason why it’s relevant to this site, and it’s not a viewpoint.

"Scam" is the problematic part. The article avoids the word in the title because the article itself says: > "I think we use the word scam as a colloquial term mostly and there's some nuance to this. I don't think either game's developers have the actual intention to not deliver." So it's not a scam, not to speak of blatant scam.

I agree, we should be using the word ripoff way more often, as scam is heavily diluted to things that aren't.

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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Are not alphas expected to be broken?

They are, finding item size cap bugs and alerting the devs seems all in the spirit. To me there's just an elephant in the room - the idea is dead in the water. The latency dictated by the internet does not support their ideas. It will end up under-delivering. I wouldn't call it an outright scam, though, as games are a very subjective product

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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You're not meant to editorialize titles like this on HN. People who submit stories have no more claim to their viewpoint than any commenter does. The title here should be: "This MMO that promised an 'infinite open world' has become a giant fiasco"

"Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. " Feels weird to nitpick scam versus fiasco, but whatever. I'd be upset either way as an investor, but just flag it if need be -- as per guidelines.

> nitpick scam versus fiasco

I don't think that's a nit. Intent matters, and it's entirely possible to have a well intentioned fiasco.

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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"Scam" is the problematic part. The article avoids the word in the title because the article itself says: > "I think we use the word scam as a colloquial term mostly and there's some nuance to this. I don't think either game's developers have the actual intention to not deliver." So it's not a scam, not to speak of blatant scam.

That's a quote in the article. He also said this: > "I think for me, the base intent matters very little when the end result is the same and you've lied to everyone throughout." If it's true that the game developers promised this: > The campaign promises, among other features, "multiplayer with the population density of real cities" and a fully dynamic environment with no fixed interaction points. Then it's clearly a…

There is however the possibility they are merely incompetent and genuinely don't appreciate the difficulty implicit in the scope of what they've set out to do.

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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This was part of the exciting suggestion of the original Stadia trailers: with the entire game and all the interactions happening in Google datacentres, you would only need to receive a rendered version, and suddenly all this would be possible. Of course none of that has happened and Google folded their games studio, which is par for them, but does go some way to reinforcing this point that there's a reason this stuf…

Stadia isn't magic though, it just runs on whatever random GPU they have lying around. It was never going to be better than what you can build yourself.

When Stadia was announced it was full AMD GPUs (probably because of their Linux drivers)

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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I've been following the DreamWorld saga on YouTube for a hot minute now, mainly because I find it so interesting how they got through the YC vetting process when I myself have applied twice (maybe 3 times) and I also know plenty of people -- brilliant, motivated, entrepreneurial folks -- that applied many (many) times as well and were rejected (YC is mega-competitive after all). IMO, it's a bit insulting to the strug…

Which is why I suspect the title will be changed, even though it is relevant to the discussion.

The submitted title blatantly breaks the site guidelines, which ask "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize.". It is a no-brainer of standard HN moderation that we would change it immediately, as you can see from countless previous examples (and these are just the ones I posted about):

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

When readers email about a title complaining that it's breaking the rules (as happened with this one), you know it's bad. However, I don't think I'm going to change it, even though it shamelessly distorts the article's meaning and adds extra linkbait on top.

The reason I'm not inclined to change it is that we moderate HN less, not more, when a story is about YC or a YC-funded startup. That's explained here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... More on that elsewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27321978.

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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I have some sympathy for the difficulty evaluating tech plays when "an RSS search engine" turns into twitter. These ideas are the starting point, but it's difficult to tell what they might turn into. Quite possibly they evaluate the ability of the founders to shape the company into something interesting during the program. But more than that, they're probability are trying to figure out how well the founders will per…

"Invest in the team" makes some sense when you're talking about bright people with a lame idea (RSS search engine, or whatever.) But in this case the idea isn't merely lame; it's a scam, and the team being invested in are a team of con-artists. What might they pivot to, if not another scam?

A key skill of con-artists is being able to make yourself resemble someone competent. If you go back to 5 years ago, YC probably wasn't on the radar for con artists yet, but starting about then, it was becoming clear that VCs had more money than there were good companies to fund. We are now seeing the results.

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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Yea, I’ve found it interesting reading about YC companies from this batch that include: - A scam MMO - Terminal autocomplete as a service - A Splitwise clone - An app that puts your next meeting in your menu bar (for $10/month!) YC gets 5K+ applications/cycle, accepts 1-3%, so they rejected 4500+ companies for these?

Definitely damaging to the YC brand. I'd like to see a postmortem on how these _blatant_ con artists got through.

Italics on HN are made using asterisks. They should really make underscores do the same...not like those do anything else.

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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I know what building an MMO is like, having worked on one 10 years ago that was already 10 years old and still exists today (small audience though). Building something like these people are talking about requires more $ than a Marvel superhero movie to get anywhere. We could manage about 100 simultaneous players visible to each other in a reasonable time but no more; the internet is not fast enough to manage more tha…

What do you mean when you say "the internet is not fast enough to manage more than [100 people] with anything resembling real behavior"? Is that based on some objective metric, or just based on your experience?

Re: Y Combinator backed MMO metaverse game is a blatant scam

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Yea, I’ve found it interesting reading about YC companies from this batch that include: - A scam MMO - Terminal autocomplete as a service - A Splitwise clone - An app that puts your next meeting in your menu bar (for $10/month!) YC gets 5K+ applications/cycle, accepts 1-3%, so they rejected 4500+ companies for these?

Definitely damaging to the YC brand. I'd like to see a postmortem on how these _blatant_ con artists got through.

Maybe the brand is a little bit hyped to begin with? I suspect there are only two companies these VCs have ever funded that are known to turn a profit. It seems like they've trained a generation of young smart people on how to get rich by losing money.
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