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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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This comment avoids the facts noted in the linked article, which seem to point to perpetual immunity of anyone who was infected by SARS-CoV-2 in the past.

There are multiple documented cases where a person caught COVID twice (where the two instances were genetically different, and therefore not a false positive caused by lingering dead virus). The linked article only indicates that antibody production should continue for a long time, but that's only one factor in robust long-term immunity. The rate of antibody production and the set of proteins that the antibodies targ…

Of those cases, I’ve seen zero reported as symptomatic. If you have any proof otherwise please link sources.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I'm in a pretty weird position right now myself. I caught it in mid-February with mild symptoms basically just loss of smell. I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, I have several co-workers who refuse to attend a picnic if I'm there. All of them are vaccinated which indicates to me that there is no logic and simply a demand that I adhe…

> I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine. what was their reasoning?

His reasoning was that I was more likely to get moderate side effects from the vaccine due to high antibody levels. He also noted that I shrugged off the initial infection and that it was highly unlikely for me to get infected again and in the event I did I would almost certainly have very moderate symptoms.

He did this contingent on the fact that I don't live near any elderly relatives nor do I socialize with anyone that is high risk. I don't socialize much at all really unless I'm outdoors.

I almost forgot to mention that he had looked at literature which stated that high antibody levels at time of vaccine could reduce its efficacy.

Frankly a lot of this is moving target so I'm keeping my mind open.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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This comment avoids the facts noted in the linked article, which seem to point to perpetual immunity of anyone who was infected by SARS-CoV-2 in the past.

You must have read a different article than I did. It just talked about the production of antibodies. They help fight off infection but don't necessarily make you immune. The article also specifically mentions vulnerability to variants.

> “They help fight off infection…”

Yeah, that’s what the immune system does.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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It may happen, also it is worth to notice that the immunity should form after the second vaccine

not true, the 2nd shot is for long-term immunity tho the vaccination was less than ten days in the past, so it might not have been active yet

You are right, it seems that a lot of people develop antibodies after the first vaccine.

source: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210114-covid-19-how-eff...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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> Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vaccinated? As with any other disease, it is reasonable (and expected) for everyone who had covid to not get vaccinated, given that the immunity you get from having the disease is always better than what you'd get from a vaccine. That this is even considered controversial by some people just goes to show you how far our science edu…

>given that the immunity you get from having the disease is always better than what you'd get from a vaccine This is false. Stop spreading misinformation.

You don't have the authority to decide what is misinformation and what isn't.

If you disagree with it counter it with your own facts but you are not the speech police.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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This doesn't work because non-vaccinated people will breed variants, which the original vaccine won't work on.

That is clearly not logically consistent. I also know that the following will be very bothersome to hear for many people and I hope to . Nothing would indicate that unvaccinated would lead to mutations, especially over vaccinated whose vaccination does not actually perform as well as natural immunity developed from the body naturally building immunity. What is actually bing discussed in the non-corporate medical comm…

I am away from my home in the state of Nebraska now because my mother-in-law was one of the small number of people to experience a highly adverse event from her second Pfizer shot.

She went into cardiac arrest 3 hours after getting her shot. It's been over a week now and they will be taking her off life support shortly because she is now brain dead. It should be noted that this is a rare event and I do recommend to my loved ones especially my father and her to get vaccinated.

That being said no media organizations are going to report what happened to my mother-in-law. They know if they do so it will create vaccine hesitancy in many people. I understand and empathize with this but it does raise ethical questions.

The corporate media are perfectly happy to stay silent on this because they no longer view their role as informing the public, but rather as getting the public to do what they think is right.

They are happy to report on statistically improbable events as long as they are part of their overall political narrative. For every person that reflexively responds to me that what happened to my mother-in-law is a rare event, the same people won't hesitate to talk about the George Floyd murder as if it's a typical occurrence in police interactions with black men. The data shows this to be not true at all but they don't care because their narrative is all they care about.

My point is that this vaccine technology is definitely new and it's probably going to be revolutionary and saving tremendous numbers of lives especially in Africa with malaria. However because it's so new there are going to be bad things happening from it as well and folks who deny this are making problems worse.

What happened to my mother-in-law is now being used as fuel by various people my family who are Alex Jones followers. The reaction from the medical establishment and the complete lack of coverage in the media has further added ammunition to this idiot in my family. Suppressing information always creates a backlash every time.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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covid deaths are labeled based on positive test results (and clinical diagnosis) so they will always move together regardless of specificity or sensitivity here's a study showing above CT 32 not a single live virus was able to be cultured [1] [1] https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid... (image from the study) https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png

I didn't say just deaths, hospitalizations as well. In Alberta people were until just this week experiencing severe and acute respiratory distress in droves, so much so that our ICU was at the highest capacity ever and specifically 3/4 full of COVID+ patients, and this is sheer coincidence that it matches up with surge in positive test cases from several weeks ago? Our premier actually noted that a large group of cas…

Well I don't really feel I have to explain anything? The diligent work put into CT by researchers shows high CT positives are very likely false positives.

But I can offer up some explanations regardless, just for the sake of conversation. Any respiratory infection that gets hospitalized with high CT covid tests is capable of being a misdiagnosed CV19 infection. I'm unsure about CA, but in the US there are huge financial incentives to misdiagnose a patient as cv19+

As for record number of patients (I'll take your word for it as in the US the actual ICU numbers are lower for 2020 than 2019 and hospitalizations countrywide 2020 at no point were higher than 2019) - I think that a much more logical conclusion is that people were scared to go to the hosptial - preventative visits/treatments were delayed and now you're dealing with the predictable rise in illness due to disruption to healthcare from government regulations and overall hysteria keeping people from the hospital that would've otherwise been there.

Disruptions as small as daylight savings changes is associated with large spikes in heart attacks - it's really not surprising that global disruption will have negative health repercussions.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

I'm not going to shame you for this but I think you have some misconceptions about the vaccines vs naturally acquired immunity that might impact your decision.

Naturally acquired immunity from the original strain of covid-19 is not effective against some of the other variants. The strain currently ravaging India has infected many individuals who had been sick before, sometimes extremely seriously.

The mRNA vaccines don't work the same way as old school vaccines. They're better technology and they're also much more effective than natural immunity. Basically by getting the vaccine you won't get seriously ill and you won't die. You're also less likely to get infected with the strains.

Nobody can force you to get a shot but you're helping protect yourself and other people by getting it. I hope you reconsider.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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I didn't say just deaths, hospitalizations as well. In Alberta people were until just this week experiencing severe and acute respiratory distress in droves, so much so that our ICU was at the highest capacity ever and specifically 3/4 full of COVID+ patients, and this is sheer coincidence that it matches up with surge in positive test cases from several weeks ago? Our premier actually noted that a large group of cas…

Well I don't really feel I have to explain anything? The diligent work put into CT by researchers shows high CT positives are very likely false positives. But I can offer up some explanations regardless, just for the sake of conversation. Any respiratory infection that gets hospitalized with high CT covid tests is capable of being a misdiagnosed CV19 infection. I'm unsure about CA, but in the US there are huge financ…

As far as I'm aware there is zero financial incentive here in Canada, and that argument sounds a lot like they are knowingly faking the cases, which is a much different argument than the diagnostic doesn't work and implies malice.

Just to remove doubt, the ICU has been record setting[1]. As an aside, that article even discusses your claim about bad PCR tests.

And are you saying that people have delayed their care to the point where they are now in the ICU, just under half of who are sub 50, and all those happen to be because of a respiratory infection? In addition, those peaks of ICU numbers have started to come down. It must be a coincidence that case counts have been dropping for a while here - how does that make sense if it's just people delaying care? It really doesn't meet any sort of sense that the peaks are always linked.

Alberta has put together a great data portal[2], complete with tracking case counts and severe cases. It's easy to see, based upon the actual data, how the cases, hospitalizations, and ICU are related.

[1]https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/alberta-icus-treat... [2]https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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This doesn't work because non-vaccinated people will breed variants, which the original vaccine won't work on.

Can you provide some evidence that this happened now, or for earlier diseases? Manaus in Brazil doesn't count, FTR. It never ever reached herd immunity: the data was a large overestimation.

I think my evidence is that there are variants. Isn't the way variants work:

- A human gets infected

- The human becomes a virus factory

- While producing gazillions of viruses, mutations occur

- Mutations are variants

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