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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by toolz »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #141
toolz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal - in the US the CDC recommended cycle thresholds of >40 to signify a true positive. That is beyond insane - with the flu we recognize false positives are likely after just a CT of 23! Your friends likely got sick twice, maybe once from covid and PCR tested positive twice. This is what the current literature understands - it's not impossible that you're…

> unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal I keep hearing this argument, but it's unconvincing. Here in Alberta we've seen positive cases and hospitalizations and deaths move in relation to each-other. If the false positive was so high we wouldn't be able to make out that pattern from the noise, but it's incredibly obvious. Also, in the early days we saw case rates much lower than the false p…

covid deaths are labeled based on positive test results (and clinical diagnosis) so they will always move together regardless of specificity or sensitivity

here's a study showing above CT 32 not a single live virus was able to be cultured [1]

[1] https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid...

(image from the study) https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

mywittyname wrote: post #137
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Repeat infections of covid have been confirmed and now that the CDC is tracking variants, we know that the dominant strains shift very rapidly. Meaning that you could be exposed to a mutated version for which your immunity is blunted or completely absent. The vaccines are only 85-99% effective. So your family is still at risk for getting and spreading the infection. And if you're the spreader, it's possible that it w…

Man am I ever sick of this attitude. That high ground you’re looking down on other people from certainly has an extremely weak foundation based on what we know currently.

Consider a little respect and humility. You might be wrong. Many of the the loudest voices throughout this whole covid affair are currently muffled as they can’t eat and talk at the same time, lest they choke on their massive servings of humble pie for being so wrong about something they were so certain about.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

armchairhacker wrote: post #140
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Ok, I agree your family might be overreacting, and that it isn't a "big deal" you're not getting the vaccine. But you really should get the vaccine, at least if you're in a place with abundant supply. There's just no good argument against it. The odds of "putting things in your body" having any effect on you are far less than the odds of getting Covid again, even if those odds are low. And mine as well make your fami…

> The odds of "putting things in your body" having any effect on you are far less than the odds of getting Covid again, even if those odds are low.

Regardless on one’s position, this is simply baseless bullshit. Please don’t spread it.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by mrozbarry »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

The main issue is that there is a very ill-defined wall between vaccines from science and a political agenda.

The average human (except maybe the elderly?) does not have the same problems with flu season and vaccination in the same way we view covid. Granted, covid is a big problem, but the mortality rate is about 10% [0]. The main difference here is that the flu season is mostly dictated by science, there are no public restrictions and people go about their lives mostly without consequence. Covid is a different beast for a bunch of reasons, and one major one is politics.

I have never up until this point in my life saw the amount of political pressure that everyone needs to be vaccinated. Probably going more off opinion that fact at this point, but I can't foresee any place in the world going back to normal once n% of people get vaccinated. At least the mayo clinic doesn't seem certain on what the long term effects of the current vaccines will be [1], specifically around "A COVID-19 vaccine might...Prevent you from getting COVID-19 or from becoming seriously ill or dying due to COVID-19." The CDC website seems to have more confident information, but I'm not convinced that we actually have the long-term data yet to back that up, but I'm open to being corrected with any studies that last more than 2 months, and use saline for control groups (and not another vaccine, which seems to be the popular method, which I'm also interested in opinions on). So _if_ the vaccines don't provided long term protection from being sick AND spreading the disease, don't expect vaccinated percentages to change the state of the current lockdowns.

I've been told I'm a bad citizen for just waiting for data that proves that shooting this vaccine in my body will actually support a good long term solution.

[0] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality [1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

mfer wrote: post #53
nednar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said after recovery you need vaccine? Probably you just need to share official documentation from your government and official health body with your family. Afaik, recovered and vaccinated are treated the same currently.

I asked about this. The response I got was that many people who got COVID had a mild case where the immune system did not kick in very strongly. That these are more likely to get a 2nd infection. The vaccine for them will give them coverage from a second infection. They want everyone to get the vaccine so that people aren't missed who had a mild case. Right or wrong, this is the reasoning being shared where I live.

And a study just released has also contradicted this “assigned opinion” being weaponized by the vaccine virtue signalers.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by jf22 »

rsj_hn wrote: post #92
jf22 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>given that the immunity you get from having the disease is always better than what you'd get from a vaccine This is false. Stop spreading misinformation.

Stop spreading misinformation. My comment was not false, and in fact is quite obvious. e.g. from https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/Waiver_Ed_Natural_Im... "It is true that natural infection almost always causes better immunity than vaccines."

Quite often what is "obvious" isn't true. Take some time and do some reading on this topic and you'll find that vaccines can provide equal or better immunity than a natural infection.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nednar »

mfer wrote: post #53
nednar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said after recovery you need vaccine? Probably you just need to share official documentation from your government and official health body with your family. Afaik, recovered and vaccinated are treated the same currently.

I asked about this. The response I got was that many people who got COVID had a mild case where the immune system did not kick in very strongly. That these are more likely to get a 2nd infection. The vaccine for them will give them coverage from a second infection. They want everyone to get the vaccine so that people aren't missed who had a mild case. Right or wrong, this is the reasoning being shared where I live.

Thanks for sharing!

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nednar »

ctdonath wrote: post #84
nednar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said after recovery you need vaccine? Probably you just need to share official documentation from your government and official health body with your family. Afaik, recovered and vaccinated are treated the same currently.

The broadly-accepted imperative requirement is "vaccinated", as in "do not enter without a mask/etc unless you have been fully vaccinated ". There is never a reference to "inoculated" (to wit vaccinated or had Covid and recovered). Furthermore, there may not be "official documentation from your gov't and official health body". I was tested & 'treated', but my wife had exactly the same symptoms & recovery without both…

> The broadly-accepted imperative requirement is "vaccinated", as in "do not enter without a mask/etc unless you have been fully vaccinated". There is never a reference to "inoculated" (to wit vaccinated or had Covid and recovered).

As can be concluded from my post: Where I live vaccinated and recovered are treated the same, at least for now.

> Furthermore, there may not be "official documentation from your gov't and official health body".

Where I live there are laws what is permitted in super markets, restaurants, bars etc. And there are recommendations from the official health body that is responsible for the Covid topic. Often they overlap, sometimes they don't. But I think currently both agree on the vaccinated vs recovered point.

All that is said just to sync up on facts. I'm not trying to convince anybody of changing their interpretation or opinion.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nednar »

gurleen_s wrote: post #70
nednar wrote: post #48

If recovered people have longer term protection than vaccinated people (which is one possible interpretation of the headline's statement), would it make sense to first vaccinate someone and then expose them to the real virus, thereby generating the benefits with a much much lower risk or maybe even zero risk?

I don’t know anything about how effective that might be, but I imagine the logistics of transporting a live, deadly virus would be a nightmare.

In many locations you have hospitals close by with covid stations. So you could bring the people to the virus.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

toolz wrote: post #151
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal I keep hearing this argument, but it's unconvincing. Here in Alberta we've seen positive cases and hospitalizations and deaths move in relation to each-other. If the false positive was so high we wouldn't be able to make out that pattern from the noise, but it's incredibly obvious. Also, in the early days we saw case rates much lower than the false p…

covid deaths are labeled based on positive test results (and clinical diagnosis) so they will always move together regardless of specificity or sensitivity here's a study showing above CT 32 not a single live virus was able to be cultured [1] [1] https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid... (image from the study) https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png

I didn't say just deaths, hospitalizations as well. In Alberta people were until just this week experiencing severe and acute respiratory distress in droves, so much so that our ICU was at the highest capacity ever and specifically 3/4 full of COVID+ patients, and this is sheer coincidence that it matches up with surge in positive test cases from several weeks ago? Our premier actually noted that a large group of cases currently in hospital were in the sub 50 age group as evidence that the vaccination against COVID 19 is working for the above 50's[1], who have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. Given all these facts it suggest to me there is an acute respiratory disease that is running rampant through my province that responds well to the COVID vaccine.

How do you explain this? How do you explain record ICU numbers and uncharacteristically large groups of the young being stricken by a respiratory condition in May, long after cold and flu season and matching record COVID case numbers?

[1]https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/1396587241087062016

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