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Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by vishnugupta »

gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

For me this is a big drawback of half-baked autopilot. It takes us humans time to engage in a split second and react to surroundings even if they are monitoring it. When driving I'm constantly updating my situation awareness by doing a 360 degree scan every few seconds and I'm 100% engaged with the car so I know which way to safely swerve, what happens if I slam the brakes etc.,. With this auto-pilot-assist I'm monitoring mostly forward and I'm not engaged with the car so my ability to handle emergency situation is severely impaired.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by rootusrootus »

Lendal wrote: post #55

The irritating thing is it's all so unnecessary. My Tesla is a great car. But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered, FSD. It feels like I paid extra for my awesome car to be sabotaged. What was promised by FSD was never going to be possible, and yet they are doubling down. They need to stop this idiocy. The vision system is horrible. The car stops at green light…

I would be really pissed if I were an FSD customer. Tesla needs to at least uncouple the license from the VIN and attach it to the account holder instead, so you can take it with you. As it is, I think it is entirely reasonable to expect that the current Model 3 might never actually get FSD, or that for all practical purposes it won't because people will have moved on to other cars as usually happens.

I am actually surprised they haven't been hit with a class action over FSD yet.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by bengale »

nemothekid wrote: post #69
aaomidi wrote: post #40

This decision from Tesla is going to get people killed. Tesla owners, we should sue Tesla for this. They're going to take away features that influenced our purchasing decision with an OTA update. This should not be allowed.

AFAIK, If you have a Tesla already, it will still use Radar. Model S/X also keep Radar. It's being removed from Model 3/Y. I placed an order in early April and I'm kind of miffed that (1) my delivery was delayed (my original order was supposed to be 4-8 weeks, I'm currently slated for ~10 weeks) (2) there seems to be supply chain issues, but the company denies it (3) after not shipping in cars for 2 months, they anno…

I’d be cancelling my order.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by philjohn »

everetm wrote: post #105

I'm amazed at how toxic the comments are and how many are mentioning people are going to be killed. Have you seen how most Americans drive? Makes sense that they did this with the chip shortages. I don't doubt that they can rely entirely on cameras and be way safer than most drivers on the road. Looking forward to FSD release in 2030.

What about conditions such as fog?

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by mumblemumble »

paxys wrote: post #79
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

Well it's still a "beta" feature, so according to Tesla you shouldn't have trusted it in the first place.

"Oops we tried to kill the user. Repeatedly." seems like more of a pre-alpha kind of bug to me.

Beta would be more like driving 15km/h below the speed limit in the passing lane with the blinker left on.

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Post by valine »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #25
akerl_ wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the actual change is driven by supply chain issues w/ radar gear, and the vision-is-better party line is just to make it sell better.

Can someone tell me if SpaceX's tail-landing rockets are vision-only systems? Street vehicle navigation seems at least as difficult as nailing a rocket landing.

Humans are proof that's its possible to safely drive a car with pure vision. Pretty sure no human has ever propulsively landed a rocket on earth using nothing but vision.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by gauravphoenix »

TwoBit wrote: post #74
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

Did your lane split into two and it took the left one? What do you think caused it to do what it did?

It wasn't a split, it was how sometimes you see there are protected turn lanes on highways. So if you need to turn left, you can take that lane and wait for the oncoming traffic to pass.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by xeromal »

Lendal wrote: post #55

The irritating thing is it's all so unnecessary. My Tesla is a great car. But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered, FSD. It feels like I paid extra for my awesome car to be sabotaged. What was promised by FSD was never going to be possible, and yet they are doubling down. They need to stop this idiocy. The vision system is horrible. The car stops at green light…

If you paid 10k, that means you bought your car in the past year or so. I've been following Tesla for a while now and FSD has been around the corner since 2016 or so. Maybe sooner. I love my model S but I'd recommend that you not delude yourself with FSD. It will bring nothing but frustration. On the other hand, regular AP does a fantastic job and I use it daily.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by chronic83027 »

bob33212 wrote: post #67
chronic83027 wrote: post #27

- Tesla is lacking radar modules due to chip shortage - As a result, Tesla can’t make vehicles - Tesla (as always) is cutting it close to making a profit - Therefore, sell cars without radar - This “profit squeeze” is corroborated by this week’s (May 27) increase in vehicle prices by $500-$2,000, the reintroduction of enhanced autopilot for $4,000 and Elon trying to pump n dump crypto again with his “crypto eco-overs…

If in July the systems are safe and Beta FSD has improvements are you going to admit you were wrong about these things?

> If in July the systems are safe and Beta FSD has improvements are you going to admit you were wrong about these things?

Still waiting for the 2017 coast-to-coast FSD drive.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/866482406160609280

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Post by nathanaldensr »

dmm wrote: post #109
ghoward wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

> However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. I think it will happen but only by making many expensive, intrusive changes to our cities and roads to accommodate "self-driving" cars.

This problem is, this was never the marketed vision. The implicit and sometimes explicit message everyone seemed to swallow was "it's like human driving, but better!" when it's actually not. It's just another set of fundamentally-flawed algorithms running on binary computers that only know about zeroes and ones.
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