Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#2Why are they removing these features from a car with a promise of patching them back in later? Shouldn’t that be ready to go before committing to a hardware change?
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#3I'm having trouble figuring out if this is just another battle in Elon's War with Regulators, if this is NHTSA being too slow to keep up with evolving technology, or if Teslas without radar are actually worse, deserving the loss of these designations.
Or what the mix is of all three of those things, I guess.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#4Why are they removing these features from a car with a promise of patching them back in later? Shouldn’t that be ready to go before committing to a hardware change?
Because the actual change is driven by supply chain issues w/ radar gear, and the vision-is-better party line is just to make it sell better.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#5With a feature being pulled from already-sold vehicles, I wonder if this'll run into some Lemon Law issues. Because the vehicle no longer does what was sold, which is specifically protected by law in many states.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#6This is part of Tesla's plan to transition to a vision-only system:
- FUD-free Tesla Daily coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3zsmZx4kfA
- Details from Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#7I'm having trouble figuring out if this is just another battle in Elon's War with Regulators, if this is NHTSA being too slow to keep up with evolving technology, or if Teslas without radar are actually worse, deserving the loss of these designations. Or what the mix is of all three of those things, I guess.
There's all sorts of rumors for why Elon / Tesla is doing this. The most probable rumor IMO is that the chip-shortage has hit the Tesla radar especially hard.
Instead of idling plants (like other automakers https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-idles-f-150-plan...), Tesla decided to cut out the radar entirely.
That means cars can be produced, and sold, without these radars / chips.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#8I'm having trouble figuring out if this is just another battle in Elon's War with Regulators, if this is NHTSA being too slow to keep up with evolving technology, or if Teslas without radar are actually worse, deserving the loss of these designations. Or what the mix is of all three of those things, I guess.
My read is it's just the NHTSA not granting a certification for things it hasn't tested. Ie, "forward collision warning, lane departure warning, crash imminent braking and dynamic brake support" without radar. Tesla will release the new versions (if they haven't already), the NHTSA will test the new models, and they'll grant the "check marks" again.
In other words, it's non-news (unless you happen to be planning to buy a Tesla this week).
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#9TL;DR: Tesla is removing radar from vehicles to transition to a vision-only system. They will ship vision-only cars before NHTSA has tested them, so the NHTSA can't certify untested vehicles.
> Newer Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles will no longer be labeled as having some advanced safety features after the automaker said it was removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#10With a feature being pulled from already-sold vehicles, I wonder if this'll run into some Lemon Law issues. Because the vehicle no longer does what was sold, which is specifically protected by law in many states.
This only applies to new vehicles that ship without the radar module. Tesla is switching to vision-only but the vision-only system hasn't been tested by the NHTSA.
Nothing has changed for vehicles that have already shipped with radar modules.