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Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by jacquesm »

dragontamer wrote: post #38
bpodgursky wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has been pushing camera-only autonomous driving (ditching LIDAR) since well before the chip shortage. I would assume this is part of the same drive.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210312022048/https://www.tesla... I'm pulling this from archive.org, because Tesla has removed this blogpost from their servers. As recently as March, they kept this pro-Radar blogpost up. Only now are they purging this data from their archives. Fortunately, the Internet Archive remembers the history, so they won't find it so easy to rewrite history in their favor.

Pretty sure they can have it wiped from the archive as well so if you want to hold on to it better do it somewhere else.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by bpodgursky »

dragontamer wrote: post #38
bpodgursky wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has been pushing camera-only autonomous driving (ditching LIDAR) since well before the chip shortage. I would assume this is part of the same drive.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210312022048/https://www.tesla... I'm pulling this from archive.org, because Tesla has removed this blogpost from their servers. As recently as March, they kept this pro-Radar blogpost up. Only now are they purging this data from their archives. Fortunately, the Internet Archive remembers the history, so they won't find it so easy to rewrite history in their favor.

That post is from 2016. From an engineering blog.

Do you really expect, or even want, companies to go back and purge all old engineering blogs which they now disagree with? By calling out an old post as evidence that they are "pro-lidar", you're the one forcing companies to try to curate the public history of their development process.

That's not healthy. Don't do that.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by takeda »

justaguy88 wrote: post #14

So if we were going to purchase one soon, should we instead wait for this to be fixed?

From what I understand they are transitioning from radar do vision only. The problem was that software engineers missed the deadline.

They will provide that in a software update, it will be just a period of time for new Teslas where the feature is not available. There's no point to wait, since you will eventually get it in update, and if you want the radar you will have to buy used model.

Personally I don't believe vision can replace radar in 100%. In a bad weather vision will be inferior. The argument could be that drivers also only use vision, but other cars do come with radars to supplement driver's vision.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by ffggvv »

sutherland wrote: post #6

This is part of Tesla's plan to transition to a vision-only system: - FUD-free Tesla Daily coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3zsmZx4kfA - Details from Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision

their decision to sell their auto kill software at all kills people. but they don’t care. as long as elon gets his pumps

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by camjohnson26 »

dragontamer wrote: post #38
bpodgursky wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has been pushing camera-only autonomous driving (ditching LIDAR) since well before the chip shortage. I would assume this is part of the same drive.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210312022048/https://www.tesla... I'm pulling this from archive.org, because Tesla has removed this blogpost from their servers. As recently as March, they kept this pro-Radar blogpost up. Only now are they purging this data from their archives. Fortunately, the Internet Archive remembers the history, so they won't find it so easy to rewrite history in their favor.

That seems incredibly blatant, given that all the other posts from 2016 are still available.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by shadowgovt »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #25
akerl_ wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the actual change is driven by supply chain issues w/ radar gear, and the vision-is-better party line is just to make it sell better.

Can someone tell me if SpaceX's tail-landing rockets are vision-only systems? Street vehicle navigation seems at least as difficult as nailing a rocket landing.

It's a bit of an apples-and-oranges comparison regarding "as hard as," but the answer to your question is that the rocket uses a combination of GPS for gross aiming followed by radar for fine-grained approach. Vision might be possible but presents challenges radar may not (including that as the rocket gets close to the pad, the back-blast form the exhaust obscures the pad).

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by bob33212 »

chronic83027 wrote: post #27

- Tesla is lacking radar modules due to chip shortage - As a result, Tesla can’t make vehicles - Tesla (as always) is cutting it close to making a profit - Therefore, sell cars without radar - This “profit squeeze” is corroborated by this week’s (May 27) increase in vehicle prices by $500-$2,000, the reintroduction of enhanced autopilot for $4,000 and Elon trying to pump n dump crypto again with his “crypto eco-overs…

If in July the systems are safe and Beta FSD has improvements are you going to admit you were wrong about these things?

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by sadfasf122 »

Lendal wrote: post #55

The irritating thing is it's all so unnecessary. My Tesla is a great car. But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered, FSD. It feels like I paid extra for my awesome car to be sabotaged. What was promised by FSD was never going to be possible, and yet they are doubling down. They need to stop this idiocy. The vision system is horrible. The car stops at green light…

lol, no it doesn't. Why are you pretend you are a Tesla owner?

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by nemothekid »

aaomidi wrote: post #40

This decision from Tesla is going to get people killed. Tesla owners, we should sue Tesla for this. They're going to take away features that influenced our purchasing decision with an OTA update. This should not be allowed.

AFAIK, If you have a Tesla already, it will still use Radar. Model S/X also keep Radar. It's being removed from Model 3/Y. I placed an order in early April and I'm kind of miffed that

(1) my delivery was delayed (my original order was supposed to be 4-8 weeks, I'm currently slated for ~10 weeks)

(2) there seems to be supply chain issues, but the company denies it

(3) after not shipping in cars for 2 months, they announce that radar is deprecated, and then suddenly people start taking deliveries.

My biggest fear is that Autopilot won't work as well as the Radar equipped cars and I won't know until 2-3 months down the line which will both affect the value of the car and part of the reason I bought it.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by bradfitz »

harles wrote: post #51
nradov wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it is possible to meet NHTSA certification requirements for recommended safety technology with vision-only systems. Subaru has done that for years.

Doesn’t Subaru use stereo vision though? Having depth cues and not having them seems like a pretty big distinction, and Tesla just removed their only source of depth.

Tesla has multiple cameras on the front.

See: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36542541/tesla-model-3-mo...

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