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Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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I'm going to assume that the vision-only system typically works okayish in Sunny California and in more climate-wise challenging regions, not.

It also doesn't see in front of the car ahead of it. Which the radar can, and for me specifically has prevented accidents on rush hour highway traffic.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

#42
Seems like Teslas current advantage is the extensive fast charge network. Everything else seems to be quickly on the way to be matched or surpassed by traditional car manufacturers. I don't see a basis for their continued stock price rise. When competition will eat their lunch. Honestly, if this was a true free market. China will dominate car manufacturing.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

#43
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the actual change is driven by supply chain issues w/ radar gear, and the vision-is-better party line is just to make it sell better.

Can someone tell me if SpaceX's tail-landing rockets are vision-only systems? Street vehicle navigation seems at least as difficult as nailing a rocket landing.

I'd argue that navigating streets is significantly harder than landing a rocket. Space X can land a rocket for example, but fully autonomous cars are still a ways off.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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I'm having trouble figuring out if this is just another battle in Elon's War with Regulators, if this is NHTSA being too slow to keep up with evolving technology, or if Teslas without radar are actually worse, deserving the loss of these designations. Or what the mix is of all three of those things, I guess.

NHTSA tested Tesla cars that had radar modules. Tesla has decided to remove the radar modules and use only vision systems. The new vision-only models are not NHTSA certified yet, so the NHTSA had to clarify that the safety certification only applies to vehicles shipped before the vision-only transition. That is, any vehicle with radar is still certified, but the new vehicles will apparently ship untested.

I’m usually one to not like over regulation.

Radar / no radar is a pretty drastic change though.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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I'm having difficulty understanding the timeline here. - Tesla is going to remove radar from new Model 3 & Y cars starting later this month. - Tesla is going to add back the removed features via software updates at some point in the future. - All Model 3 & Y cars sold since April 27 will not have these NHTSA check marks. Why is there a one month overlap? What's different about the cars shipped on April 27?

It's cars produced since April 27-- Tesla has been holding a decent number of cars for delivery (see: FB & Reddit complaints from people about their delivery dates being pushed back), so it's possible that the cars produced after the 27th were just not delivered before the software was ready for the bare minimum vision-only Autopilot.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

#47
post #20

I'm going to assume that the vision-only system typically works okayish in Sunny California and in more climate-wise challenging regions, not.

If it doesn't work on snow covered roads, at night, in the middle of a snow storm, it's junk.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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- Tesla is lacking radar modules due to chip shortage - As a result, Tesla can’t make vehicles - Tesla (as always) is cutting it close to making a profit - Therefore, sell cars without radar - This “profit squeeze” is corroborated by this week’s (May 27) increase in vehicle prices by $500-$2,000, the reintroduction of enhanced autopilot for $4,000 and Elon trying to pump n dump crypto again with his “crypto eco-overs…

I hate this guy now. I am hoping Bezos LEO starlink competitor will be better and cheaper. Amazon usually pretty good at middle-class price points. Also I sold all my TSLA for SPCE today

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

#49

- Tesla is lacking radar modules due to chip shortage - As a result, Tesla can’t make vehicles - Tesla (as always) is cutting it close to making a profit - Therefore, sell cars without radar - This “profit squeeze” is corroborated by this week’s (May 27) increase in vehicle prices by $500-$2,000, the reintroduction of enhanced autopilot for $4,000 and Elon trying to pump n dump crypto again with his “crypto eco-overs…

>Tesla is lacking radar modules due to the chip shortage

Is there evidence this is the motivation for the decision? I’m not skeptical, just couldn’t find it in the article.

When I first read it, I assumed it a was a technology choice as there seems to be competing camps between cameras and radar. Musk has previously stated he was in the camera camp because they provide more information and I figured this was just a another step in solidifying that position.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has been pushing camera-only autonomous driving (ditching LIDAR) since well before the chip shortage. I would assume this is part of the same drive.

As of May 2021, Tesla publicly announced they’re using lidar to develop FSD. https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/24/22451404/tesla-luminar-li...

This might be for improving their camera-based vision system by collecting both camera inputs and accurate ground-truth data via LIDAR to train the system with.
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