I'm going to assume that the vision-only system typically works okayish in Sunny California and in more climate-wise challenging regions, not.
Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
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#42Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the actual change is driven by supply chain issues w/ radar gear, and the vision-is-better party line is just to make it sell better.
Can someone tell me if SpaceX's tail-landing rockets are vision-only systems? Street vehicle navigation seems at least as difficult as nailing a rocket landing.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#44I'm having trouble figuring out if this is just another battle in Elon's War with Regulators, if this is NHTSA being too slow to keep up with evolving technology, or if Teslas without radar are actually worse, deserving the loss of these designations. Or what the mix is of all three of those things, I guess.
NHTSA tested Tesla cars that had radar modules. Tesla has decided to remove the radar modules and use only vision systems. The new vision-only models are not NHTSA certified yet, so the NHTSA had to clarify that the safety certification only applies to vehicles shipped before the vision-only transition. That is, any vehicle with radar is still certified, but the new vehicles will apparently ship untested.
Radar / no radar is a pretty drastic change though.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#45And that's because Tesla decided to ditch radar due to chip shortages?
We moved from "You don't own your computer" to "You don't own your car" really fast
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#46I'm having difficulty understanding the timeline here. - Tesla is going to remove radar from new Model 3 & Y cars starting later this month. - Tesla is going to add back the removed features via software updates at some point in the future. - All Model 3 & Y cars sold since April 27 will not have these NHTSA check marks. Why is there a one month overlap? What's different about the cars shipped on April 27?
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#47I'm going to assume that the vision-only system typically works okayish in Sunny California and in more climate-wise challenging regions, not.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#48- Tesla is lacking radar modules due to chip shortage - As a result, Tesla can’t make vehicles - Tesla (as always) is cutting it close to making a profit - Therefore, sell cars without radar - This “profit squeeze” is corroborated by this week’s (May 27) increase in vehicle prices by $500-$2,000, the reintroduction of enhanced autopilot for $4,000 and Elon trying to pump n dump crypto again with his “crypto eco-overs…
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#49- Tesla is lacking radar modules due to chip shortage - As a result, Tesla can’t make vehicles - Tesla (as always) is cutting it close to making a profit - Therefore, sell cars without radar - This “profit squeeze” is corroborated by this week’s (May 27) increase in vehicle prices by $500-$2,000, the reintroduction of enhanced autopilot for $4,000 and Elon trying to pump n dump crypto again with his “crypto eco-overs…
Is there evidence this is the motivation for the decision? I’m not skeptical, just couldn’t find it in the article.
When I first read it, I assumed it a was a technology choice as there seems to be competing camps between cameras and radar. Musk has previously stated he was in the camera camp because they provide more information and I figured this was just a another step in solidifying that position.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla has been pushing camera-only autonomous driving (ditching LIDAR) since well before the chip shortage. I would assume this is part of the same drive.
As of May 2021, Tesla publicly announced they’re using lidar to develop FSD. https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/24/22451404/tesla-luminar-li...