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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by filoleg » Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

Balgair wrote: post #368

filoleg wrote: post #365

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This sounds so implausible, I don't even know where to start. First, LSD isn't the kind of a drug homeless people usually do. It has no addictive potential, and it doesn't give you a high. It isn't a "fun" drug, as opposed to the typical heroin/meth/etc. stuff those people do. Second, LSD is usually distributed in the form of paper tabs. Why would they be wet? Third, getting high from just skin contact, especially on…

> This sounds so implausible, I don't even know where to start. Perhaps you should not have then. I'm not lying, she's not either. Comments like these are why women find it hard talk about their assaults; they are not believed, mostly just accused. Thanks for the comment.

>Comments like these are why women find it hard talk about their assaults

How does it have anything to do with women? My arguments would stay exactly the same, regardless if the person in question was a man or a woman or neither. In my eyes it isn't about women lying, it is about high schoolers making up excuses in front of their parents to get out of consequences of irresponsible drug/alcohol usage.

And I even explicitly said that I don't think you were lying, you were truthfully retelling a story you were told. I just doubt the source.

I have explicitly listed factual problems I see with this story. None of which had anything to do with the person in question, but rather the physical properties of the drug and the fact that LSD isn't the kind of a drug that homeless people typically use.

I am addressing factual things, while you simply snark me and segway into a "believe female survivors of sexual assault" argument. Quite literally nothing is similar about those two things, and conflating them as even remotely similar only does injustice to assault survivors and their traumatic experiences.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by smegger001 » Wed, May 26, 2021, 1:49 AM UTC

Rebelgecko wrote: post #243

hitekker wrote: post #163

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> - I gave a beer to a homeless guy, and he chugged it & threw the can into the street. I asked him why he didn’t put it in the trash can right next to us, and he explained that he didn’t want the tiny Asian women who forage for recyclables to get stabbed by the needles in the trash cans, and that one of them would be along to get the can shortly. Sure enough, less than 5 minutes later, a woman pushing a shopping car…

Like why didn't he just leave the can next to the trash can? I've saw trash cans in Germany with bottles ringed around them and was told that it was to make it easier for people that collected the deposits.

If there are that many needles it sounds like more needle disposal receptacle are needed

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by smegger001 » Wed, May 26, 2021, 1:59 AM UTC

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #17

> The police officer said he was glad to have the license plate number but that robbery is so low-profile in the courts right now that even if they did catch him, without video proof, the thieves would be let go within a day or so. So, the thieves go on to steal more - which adds up to costing victims hundreds of thousands of dollars whilst the thieves probably get a few thousands selling it to fences and second hand…

at least with a bank robbery you aren't personally at a loss as all of your money is FDIC insured. And the cops take it seriously enough to do something about it so those committing the crime are more likely to be caught and forced to stop doing so for 10-30 years.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by yeetawayhn » Wed, May 26, 2021, 3:08 AM UTC

sig-reduction wrote: post #346

psychomugs wrote: post #345

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Because I was raised to do what I can to help people in need, who was very obviously not the guy running away, smiling, from two people who looked very distraught. > manufactured using slave labor. You’re grasping here. Nice bait.

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by bzbarsky » Wed, May 26, 2021, 3:55 AM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #289

bzbarsky wrote: post #283

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Last time I was in France (Lyon, a few years ago), there was quite a number of homeless people camping out in the parks. Is France also a third-world country? I agree that the homeless situation is bad. I don't think blanket claims that other "first world" countries handle it much better are necessarily true, unfortunately.

One (or a couple of) cities don't represent the whole country, naturally. These were probably either recent migrants ("refugees" for lack of a better term) or Roma camps (which are not today's problem). They could as well just be homeless, sure (depends on the park, location, etc). Mostly, they are the result of progressive policies gone unchecked as well. But are these in the same quantity/concentration and causing…

> One (or a couple of) cities don't represent the whole country, naturally.

Very true. Neither does San Francisco, of course.

> But are these in the same quantity/concentration and causing as much trouble and being as aggressive as the ones in SF?

Absolutely not. My point was that San Francisco's problem is not obviously that it's in a "third-world country".

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by bzbarsky » Wed, May 26, 2021, 3:57 AM UTC

asdff wrote: post #307

bzbarsky wrote: post #283

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Last time I was in France (Lyon, a few years ago), there was quite a number of homeless people camping out in the parks. Is France also a third-world country? I agree that the homeless situation is bad. I don't think blanket claims that other "first world" countries handle it much better are necessarily true, unfortunately.

Those homeless in France have better healthcare and mental health treatment opportunities than I do working full time.

There are many people (both in the US and in the world in general) who could quite honestly say the same thing about the homeless in San Francisco... This does not make their situation particularly wonderful, in either case.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by psychomugs » Wed, May 26, 2021, 4:20 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #366

rsync wrote: post #353

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"I was referring to the battery." Fuck off. Home (or storefront) invasion is a violent act. Theft is a violent act. We (all of us) have a duty to respond - with violence if necessary. We need more good people like (psychomugs) in San Francisco and he deserves our thanks.

Petty theft is not violence; violence is crime against a person's body. The only violence that happened here was the guy attacking the thief. In almost all cases, escalating a relatively minor crime into physical violence against a human being is the wrong move, and needlessly increases the risk in a situation. Grab the wrong person by accident? In a lot of states that might endanger your own life if the person decid…

Play armchair critic with your hypothetical scenarios all you want, but the objective outcome of this ordeal was preventing a bad actor from getting away with a legally and morally unjust act. The only thing violated was his pride by getting caught by someone a full head shorter and probably >50lbs lighter than him.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by dec0dedab0de » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:06 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #261

yesenadam wrote: post #228

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Australia here, Sydney. I would have assumed free public toilets are a government service, like they are here, in parks and train stations and dotted through the inner city on main streets. Are there no public toilets in the US?

The majority of toilets in the US, and all of the nice/good/clean ones, are on private property (businesses, et c). Any that are free to use for all get quickly destroyed. California (the topic) has some of the highest taxes in the US, but some of the lowest levels of government services provided.

I have never had trouble finding a toilet in the 30 or so states I've been to. But I've never been to the west coast, so maybe things are different out there.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by morberg » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:34 AM UTC

filoleg wrote: post #365

Balgair wrote: post #356

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Friend of the family was on her way to her HS Prom at City Hall at night with a few friends. Dressed to the nines, going to have a great time under the rotunda with her class. A homeless guy came up to her and put something wet on her arm, directly in front of city hall. It was a lot of acid. She spent the next few days in the hospital recovering/surviving a very bad trip. She still deals with flashbacks, years later…

This sounds so implausible, I don't even know where to start. First, LSD isn't the kind of a drug homeless people usually do. It has no addictive potential, and it doesn't give you a high. It isn't a "fun" drug, as opposed to the typical heroin/meth/etc. stuff those people do. Second, LSD is usually distributed in the form of paper tabs. Why would they be wet? Third, getting high from just skin contact, especially on…

This was a very good analysis. A fourth point is that drug users rarely give away their hard earned drugs to strangers.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by edbob » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:53 AM UTC

panarky wrote: post #362

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

> I'm so glad I chose to live in Texas ... People love to pretend that right-wing politicians and policies of mass incarceration make us safer. Turns out big cities can have high crime rates regardless of their state's politicians and policies. Houston's violent crime rate is 1,095 per 100,000 population, compared to 715 for San Francisco. The crime rate is higher in Houston than Chicago. Memphis has a higher propert…

Houston is controlled by progressive Democrats. Plano is more even but voted for Biden by a 9 point margin, hardly representative of "right-wing politics".

Plano, like many Texas cities, is racially diverse, while Irvine has hardly any black population at all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvine,_California#Demographic...