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I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

dragonwriter wrote: post #269
psychomugs wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know my photographic rights; I was in public on public property photographing someone else on public property, which is legal in the US [1]. The only illegal happening here was theft on the part of the thief. I realize that you’re probably not based here if you think otherwise. I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. [1] h…

> I know my photographic rights Taking the photos was probably not illegal. Citizen’s arrest in California is legal for a misdemeanor (e.g., shoplifting as in your case) only when the arrestee is both factually guilty and committed the crime in the arresting person’s presence; whether or not the first part is true, by your description the second is not and you committed both battery and false imprisonment, possibly f…

Thankfully, it sounds like the officers involved didn't apply such unusual laws in order to irreversibly damage someone's life when they were stopping a thief. Punishing people for trying to do good things while ignoring thieves and vandalizers would be a fantastic way to cause a breakdown in civil society and a dissolution of trust in the law and government.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by cudgy »

yupper32 wrote: post #149
dcow wrote: post #124

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Just curious, what are you doing to turn it around? I don't think it's fair to use the collective "we" in this case unless you're actively working to solve these problems. Otherwise it comes off as incredibly dismissive.

Voting, contributing to campaigns, some volunteering around prop times. Though I'll admit I haven't done much around the recall of our DA outside of donating. I should be doing more there. I'm also active in my neighborhood in my own way, trying to get people together for events (think trivia, bar game tournaments, etc). Though of course this has limited during covid. I think your comment is kinda rude, though. Even…

Have the candidates you voted for won any of the elections? Or would your candidates have done differently than the currently elected officials?

Many people blame government but think their own representation is fine.

California has huge problems with affordable housing and homelessness but their left-leaning residents and politicians seem ineffective against the problem. One would think that left-leaning governments would solve these problems more effectively.

For example, why is the governor of California issuing refunds of a surplus budget when throes of mentally ill and drug addicted citizens swarm the streets with no effective assistance or clean area to defecate? It is appalling to say the least.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by psychomugs »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #341
dragonwriter wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know my photographic rights Taking the photos was probably not illegal. Citizen’s arrest in California is legal for a misdemeanor (e.g., shoplifting as in your case) only when the arrestee is both factually guilty and committed the crime in the arresting person’s presence; whether or not the first part is true, by your description the second is not and you committed both battery and false imprisonment, possibly f…

Thankfully, it sounds like the officers involved didn't apply such unusual laws in order to irreversibly damage someone's life when they were stopping a thief. Punishing people for trying to do good things while ignoring thieves and vandalizers would be a fantastic way to cause a breakdown in civil society and a dissolution of trust in the law and government.

There were no officers involved, the guy just left while taunting the victims that he’d come back to their store another day.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by psychomugs »

sig-reduction wrote: post #337
psychomugs wrote: post #296

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I judged the given probability P(crime | guy being chased in the streets & SF) as much higher than chance, which is what led me to yield to instinct. I realize that I was over my head considering the guy was much bigger than me and I had no way of knowing if he was armed or not, but I sleep better at night knowing I did what I could to act as a decent human being.

You physically attacked a person because he was being chased. Later on, you learned that he might have taken a pair of shoes that were in all likelihood manufactured using slave labor. Can you explain how you are in any way different from a person who would have participated in a lynch mob in the rural south less than a generation ago? Edit: I got downvoted, so I want to clarify that I didn't say this person is like…

Because I was raised to do what I can to help people in need, who was very obviously not the guy running away, smiling, from two people who looked very distraught.

> manufactured using slave labor.

You’re grasping here. Nice bait.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by sig-reduction »

psychomugs wrote: post #345
sig-reduction wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You physically attacked a person because he was being chased. Later on, you learned that he might have taken a pair of shoes that were in all likelihood manufactured using slave labor. Can you explain how you are in any way different from a person who would have participated in a lynch mob in the rural south less than a generation ago? Edit: I got downvoted, so I want to clarify that I didn't say this person is like…

Because I was raised to do what I can to help people in need, who was very obviously not the guy running away, smiling, from two people who looked very distraught. > manufactured using slave labor. You’re grasping here. Nice bait.

Check out this analysis of American action movies. It may change the way you see Batman and other characters that may have influenced your thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOMiAeRwpPA

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by Qem »

nomel wrote: post #119
devoutsalsa wrote: post #55

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Yeah, I lived in the Tendernob neighborhood of SF for almost 10 years. I’d always pass by a lot of what you’re talking about... - At one point I did a lot of walking there and to keep myself entertained I started tracking PPM (poops per mile) - one day I walked by a woman peeing between two cars, and she noticed me & apologized. Later I walked back that same route and saw her again. She thanked me for not yelling at…

I've peed in a bush in SF. I didn't want to, but that's what happens when you have humans with bladders and zero public restrooms. I tried to not pee in the bush. I asked around, went to a few grab and go restaurants, a gas station, but none had a public bathroom. My only option was to wait in line and pay cover to get into a bar, wait in line at the high end restaurants in the area, drive across town to Denny's for…

Holy Mother, the US put men in the moon but couldn't build some public toilets and now their streets are minefields? Now a small step for man can be just a big mess to clean later.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by stjohnswarts »

sneak wrote: post #253
psychomugs wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know my photographic rights; I was in public on public property photographing someone else on public property, which is legal in the US [1]. The only illegal happening here was theft on the part of the thief. I realize that you’re probably not based here if you think otherwise. I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. [1] h…

> grabbed him by his hoodie collar, and pinned him down I was referring to the battery. > I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. The experiences and training you have had post-birth have no bearing on your innate human instinctual responses, which are shared in common with all members of your species, including the ones tha…

Instinct has more meanings than just the strict biological one that you are referencing. Perhaps you need a grammar class and not just biology classes?

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by stjohnswarts »

edrxty wrote: post #37
throwaway1959 wrote: post #7

I do not think that the current crime situation in San Francisco appeared by some fluke or an accident. Specific policies were put in place by the progressive government officials and progressive people in San Francisco voted for these policies. I think is a cautionary tale for the rest of the country on what happens when progressive utopia gets voted in.

"Progressive Bad" isn't really the takeaway here. It turns out nuance is important. Questionable policies combined with a complex socioeconomic situation due to decades of perverse incentives isn't, in fact, an optimal strategy of governance.

Nah I think it's more "progressive needs the counterweight of some moderation and pragmatism" . Just completely ignoring "theft" as a whole category of crime because "you're likely locking up poor people who don't have a choice" is their game. They don't care about whether or not your get robbed, they only care about "poor people put in a harsh place and they didn't have a choice because they had a bad childhood and don't know any better" . How about we still arrest them and rehabilitate them. Instead of killing the police budget, why not rehabilitate and have some outreach to petty criminals. Just letting them run rampant helps no one other than the thief who will most likely end up dead at some point when he/she crosses the wrong person.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by ironman1478 »

dude187 wrote: post #313
ironman1478 wrote: post #244

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I think a big part of the SF hate is that it's ostensibly a liberal place, when it's really a conservative city. It has horrible housing policies and isn't actually racially equal when you look at the wealth distribution within the city. I think SF's external perception makes it a target for vitriol from right wing people on the internet. SF has lots of problems to be clear, especially on the east side of the city.

What about it (other than some choice outcomes) makes it a "conservative city"? Is it political policies? If so, can you name some? Is it the mentality of the residents? If so, what are some of those conservative mentalities? If it's just the outcomes you're talking about, what are some "liberal cities" with better outcomes that you compare against? I'd be interested in what those liberal cities are and how their out…

It's heavily resistant to change. It's really difficult to build new housing for example due to nimbyism. Many people are trying to remove the parklets and slow street programs. There is simply no progress in this city. It is literally conservative. I think you look at places like Miami and south Florida, they are a lot better at building new housing because they have vastly different policies. The really hip areas are definitely expensive, but a house is still generally attainable in the greater south Florida area.

I think SF wants itself to be perceived as an amazing place full of progress and inclusivity when it's really not that at all. It makes progress on civil rights only because the people of SF don't have to sacrifice anything to allow that to happen. But the second you want to change anything where they'd have to sacrifice for the collective good they fight tooth and nail. It's not all SF residents, but many are like this. You can hear it when the BoS accepts public comment.

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