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An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video

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Post by simondotau »

Personally I find it frustrating whenever anyone gets summarised as their cultural appearance, biological sex, chosen gender, political affiliation, or anything else like that. When we get headlines like "Asian attacked by black person" it becomes far too easy to lazily read that as "Asian people are victims. Black people are violent." The root cause of this incident might have nothing to do with either person's cultural background, but headlines this this one make it very difficult to think about issues any other way.

It's unquestionable that certain demographic groups are seeing a disproportionate level of violence. It's unquestionable that some of this is caused by naked, explicit racism. But not all of it. Poverty and social class plays a significant role too; unfortunately this has correlations with other demographic markers.

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Post by kenjackson »

bpodgursky wrote: post #51
nemothekid wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence Is there anywhere I can read about this elephant in the room? I'm not sure why the label is important here; is the implication that black people are ideologically motivated to attack Asians? Are you sure this was a hate crime (the driver was attacked because was Asian) or a crime of oppurtunity (the driver was attacked because he was an e…

I don't think it's constructive to talk about ideological motivation; the elephant is that most of the increase in anti-Asian violence over the past year _is_ black-on-asian. Which is a narrative incompatible with pinning it on white supremacy. A lot is clearly crime of opportunity, but a lot of the high-profile cases appear to be completely unmotivated by theft (ie, the assaults on elderly asians are often just suck…

I don’t know if that’s true. The worst violence caught in video has been from Blacks, but I think total reported instances still are non-Black.

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Post by mattigames »

alephnan wrote: post #25

Just an hour ago, my comment on HN linking to an Asian NFL coach being rejected for “not being the right minority” was flagged https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/22/eugene-chun...

That site hijacks the browser's history (clicking back button opens "Stories to check before you go") and it's filled with clickbait from taboola, maybe a website with less shady practices would get less flagged.

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Post by ergocoder »

sol_invictus wrote: post #66
lambdasquirrel wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, let me try to explain. 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. 2. There's a lot of Asians (especially those from overseas) who don't understand the historical context, and aren't privy to empathy or compassion when they're being targeted. This dynamic isn't some…

> 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. Not sure I'm understanding; are you saying asians are targeted by blacks because of some "race retaliation" scheme? > 4. There's a fair bit of talk these days in some of my circles that there's a divide-and-conquer thing going…

"model minority" is a narrative that may be true or false. Maybe they are taught. I have no idea.

But there are several cases where black attacked Asians unprovoked. Like what else was the reason for an attack??

Another reason is that blacks aren't arrested or prosecuted when attacking Asians.

There are a few examples where SF tried hard to downplay (and/or not prosecute at all) black-on-asian crime. For example, you can search for the news reporter Dion Lim where she found that a black-on-asian case is dropped silently.

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Post by andyxor »

nemothekid wrote: post #30
rafale wrote: post #8

The title doesn't specify the perpetrator is white and doesn't mention white supremacy. It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence. If someone saw the video, can you please confirm my hunch?

> It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence Is there anywhere I can read about this elephant in the room? I'm not sure why the label is important here; is the implication that black people are ideologically motivated to attack Asians? Are you sure this was a hate crime (the driver was attacked because was Asian) or a crime of oppurtunity (the driver was attacked because he was an e…

It’s just stats, easily searchable on FBI website, check them out if you’re interested in the topic.

Also pls leave these “dog whistle” or “gaslighting” labels to ideological moshpits and echo chambers. It’s considered a bad tone to use agitprop language in civil conversation.

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Post by nemothekid »

haram_masala wrote: post #69
nemothekid wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologica…

Just to explore this: what exactly is your objection to the often-cited observation that black people, who are 13% of the population, commit 52% of the violent crimes? I don’t even know if that’s accurate - if not, then surely that’s the biggest problem with it. But if it’s true, then why is it a dog whistle? I’m not challenging you here, I’m trying to understand why it’s wrong to state it in this kind of context.

Because most people who use that rhetoric will always imply the disparity exists because of genetic disposition rather than a social one. The logic tree goes from "black people commit a lot of violent crime" to "black people are dangerous" (then from there to other various racist tropes), while ignoring the mountain of other socioeconmic issues.

Consider this, if I told you Koreans only make 1% of Japan but they make up 70% of the Yakuza, what would you take away from that? The observation is true. But do you think I'm making a fair implication about Koreans in general? What if I said next that the Japanese police should be free to treat Koreans anyway they fit? Would you agree to that? I hope you would see that as insane, but that is line of reasoning that always happens with 13/52.

So currently when I read "black on asian violence is increasing" I'm not sure yet whether I can believe the author is making a fairly reasoned observation about black people ideologically attacking asians, or if they are calling for a "force" to "take a closer look at those black people".

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Post by haram_masala »

nemothekid wrote: post #71
bpodgursky wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's constructive to talk about ideological motivation; the elephant is that most of the increase in anti-Asian violence over the past year _is_ black-on-asian. Which is a narrative incompatible with pinning it on white supremacy. A lot is clearly crime of opportunity, but a lot of the high-profile cases appear to be completely unmotivated by theft (ie, the assaults on elderly asians are often just suck…

> I don't think it's constructive to talk about ideological motivation; It is. If you are going to label the problem as black-on-asian, I'd like to at least know what black people, specifically, are attacking asians. When the media uses labels about white supremacy it's usually because white mass shooters are usually ideologically motivated; they aren't killing people to steal money or eliminate competition, they are…

One proximal but surely insufficient explanation is that assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”).

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Post by JPKab »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #43
sol_invictus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does black-on-asian violence have some kind of special status in comparison to black-on-any-other-skin-color violence?

Sure, let me try to explain. 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. 2. There's a lot of Asians (especially those from overseas) who don't understand the historical context, and aren't privy to empathy or compassion when they're being targeted. This dynamic isn't some…

There's a fair bit of talk in some of my circles that all of this is a divide and conquer strategy by very wealthy people trying to make sure that people in the working classes stay divided based on race.

The reality of this is that really really crappy people exist in all racial categories and they do really crappy things to other people especially if they are different than them. These crappy people are a minority of any race but too often we talk about it as if they are majority of any given race.

If we would stop talking about race and start focusing on class then the less affluent Asians wouldn't get turned down from colleges because they are lumped in with the affluent suburban Asians. The white kids from the trailer parks in Eastern Kentucky wouldn't get turned down because they are lumped in with the rich white kids at Sidwell Friends School.

I'm only saying all this because I recently had the wonderful experience of getting lectured on equity by a CEO making over a hundred times more than the average employee at my former company. The fact that it works so well was the worst part about it. The employees were going after each other over their skin color and ancestral guilt / victimhood and completely ignoring the fact that this useless CEO isn't worth three programmers let alone a hundred of them.

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Post by arionhardison »

arionhardison wrote: post #68
nemothekid wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologica…

Yes, this is HN so you are 100% correct. Asians and whites are the majority here so blacks are constantly demonized even though anti-blackness is literally a fundamental part of asian culture. HN has a very "high-brow" intelligent crowd, if this was reddit they would just go ahead and use a slur. Intrestengly enough, even though this comment will be down voted and flagged, my asian friends are the ones that explained…

Ironically, banning comments and perspectives like mine is not seen as the same thing as banning this person from telling their story.
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