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An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video

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Post by anonymouse121 »

mdoms wrote: post #46
nemothekid wrote: post #30

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> It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence Is there anywhere I can read about this elephant in the room? I'm not sure why the label is important here; is the implication that black people are ideologically motivated to attack Asians? Are you sure this was a hate crime (the driver was attacked because was Asian) or a crime of oppurtunity (the driver was attacked because he was an e…

I don't see how it's any more of a dog whistle than to mention the race of the victim in the title, regardless of the race of the perpetrator.

It's so weird how opposing the male gender was accepted with the #MeToo movement against men (based on flimsy evidence regarding widespread sexual assault), but having a #MeToo against blacks (for their well-documented extraordinary crime rates) is a "dog whistle".

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Post by bpodgursky »

jeffbee wrote: post #24
tolbish wrote: post #9

I haven't seen this domain before. Does inquiremore have a good reputation around here?

It's just yet another substack. Zaid Jilani has been reporting for a long time. He's been associated with totally disreputable outlets like truthout and mostly disreputable outlets like thinkprogress. For the last year or two he's been playing the role of useful contrarian minority for a variety of right wing thinkers.

You know that journalists (or even people!) can have more sophisticated stances than alignment with left or right, right?

It's really unhealthy to write off "contrarianism" as some kind of tactical play instead of like... complex opinions.

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Post by tartoran »

alephnan wrote: post #27
sol_invictus wrote: post #23

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Does black-on-asian violence have some kind of special status in comparison to black-on-any-other-skin-color violence?

No, but Asian people have been on the receiving end of hate crimes more recently

Absolutely, especially post Covid I've seen several senseless random attacks on Asians regardless of nationality or origins. I hope it's just a passing thing which was fueled by Trump. I feel for them. I feel for all folks whose mere look renders them targets for hate crimes. I really thought we put that behind but recently, during the past 5 years I realized how wrong I was.

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Post by tartoran »

whoevercares wrote: post #29
sol_invictus wrote: post #23

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Does black-on-asian violence have some kind of special status in comparison to black-on-any-other-skin-color violence?

Try bully a Russian

Why bully anyone at all?

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Post by kenjackson »

rafale wrote: post #8

The title doesn't specify the perpetrator is white and doesn't mention white supremacy. It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence. If someone saw the video, can you please confirm my hunch?

People said the same thing about the Asian spa attacks. And then the perp wasn’t black. Sometimes the race just isn’t mentioned, not a grand conspiracy.

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Post by sol_invictus »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #43
sol_invictus wrote: post #23

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Does black-on-asian violence have some kind of special status in comparison to black-on-any-other-skin-color violence?

Sure, let me try to explain. 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. 2. There's a lot of Asians (especially those from overseas) who don't understand the historical context, and aren't privy to empathy or compassion when they're being targeted. This dynamic isn't some…

> 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way.

Not sure I'm understanding; are you saying asians are targeted by blacks because of some "race retaliation" scheme?

> 4. There's a fair bit of talk these days in some of my circles that there's a divide-and-conquer thing going on.

Divide-and-conquer of what exactly?

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Post by arionhardison »

nemothekid wrote: post #56
casefields wrote: post #44

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It's what some would call Coulter's Corollary: >Named after a 2015 tweet from provocative conservative political commentator, Ann Coulter, Coulter's Law states that the longer it takes the news media to identify a mass shooter in the United States, the less likely it is to be a white male.

That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologica…

Yes, this is HN so you are 100% correct. Asians and whites are the majority here so blacks are constantly demonized even though anti-blackness is literally a fundamental part of asian culture. HN has a very "high-brow" intelligent crowd, if this was reddit they would just go ahead and use a slur.

Intrestengly enough, even though this comment will be down voted and flagged, my asian friends are the ones that explained these things to me.

Here is a video one of my asian friends sent to me, its a bit long but actually quite informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo2ub_nZFc&t=1s

Unlike in America, its actually 100% accepted and seen as the norm to be "anti-black": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY. This is also why Asia/India are the largest market for skin lightning cream. Objectively, I find it quite fascinating and it was very interesting for me to learn about.

The book: Blacks And Asians: Crossings, Conflict And Commonality goes much deeper into the topic if you are interested.

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Post by haram_masala »

nemothekid wrote: post #56
casefields wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's what some would call Coulter's Corollary: >Named after a 2015 tweet from provocative conservative political commentator, Ann Coulter, Coulter's Law states that the longer it takes the news media to identify a mass shooter in the United States, the less likely it is to be a white male.

That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologica…

Just to explore this: what exactly is your objection to the often-cited observation that black people, who are 13% of the population, commit 52% of the violent crimes? I don’t even know if that’s accurate - if not, then surely that’s the biggest problem with it. But if it’s true, then why is it a dog whistle?

I’m not challenging you here, I’m trying to understand why it’s wrong to state it in this kind of context.

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Post by gruez »

haram_masala wrote: post #47
sebmellen wrote: post #11

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Sadly, doing this might only further perpetuate the racial biases people already hold; only now they're imbued with the feeling that the government is trying to suppress the truth because the situation is so bad. And in this case, they'd be right. Not a great situation...

One way to fight these biases is to remind ourselves that it’s a very small percentage of any demographic that commits violent crimes. It might be more useful, then, to say “99% of X people are never violent versus 99.2% of Y people.”

Does this actually work? All that does is change the framing (ie. glass half full or half empty) but doesn't challenge the underlying fact that they commit crimes at a higher rate, which is what racists latch on to.
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