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An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video

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Post by bpodgursky »

nemothekid wrote: post #30
rafale wrote: post #8

The title doesn't specify the perpetrator is white and doesn't mention white supremacy. It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence. If someone saw the video, can you please confirm my hunch?

> It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence Is there anywhere I can read about this elephant in the room? I'm not sure why the label is important here; is the implication that black people are ideologically motivated to attack Asians? Are you sure this was a hate crime (the driver was attacked because was Asian) or a crime of oppurtunity (the driver was attacked because he was an e…

I don't think it's constructive to talk about ideological motivation; the elephant is that most of the increase in anti-Asian violence over the past year _is_ black-on-asian. Which is a narrative incompatible with pinning it on white supremacy.

A lot is clearly crime of opportunity, but a lot of the high-profile cases appear to be completely unmotivated by theft (ie, the assaults on elderly asians are often just sucker-punches by a suspect who leaves immediately without taking anything).

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Post by b9a2cab5 »

thereare5lights wrote: post #50
alephnan wrote: post #25

Just an hour ago, my comment on HN linking to an Asian NFL coach being rejected for “not being the right minority” was flagged https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/22/eugene-chun...

Discrimination and racism against Asian Americans is something that gets flagged a lot on HN in my experience. But then again, discrimination and racism posts in general are something that gets flagged a lot on HN so it's not surprising.

Because anything that challenges the narrative and posits that diversity and inclusion initiatives are actually harming minorities (Asians) is somehow racist. For example, if I were to make a comment saying affirmative action is racism, my comment would get insta-flagged.

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Post by monkeycantype »

For those of us outside of the US, can someone explain the background of what's happening? Is there a group using covid or conflict with the CCP to incite violence against Asians? Or is this just the relentless churn of everyday pointless hideous violence that has been previously un-noted in a media when the victims were asian?

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Post by imgabe »

alephnan wrote: post #25

Just an hour ago, my comment on HN linking to an Asian NFL coach being rejected for “not being the right minority” was flagged https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/22/eugene-chun...

A lot of HN moderation is aimed at curtailing discussions that tend to be unproductive flamewars. I wouldn't take it as "truth-suppression" just that people tend to already have their opinions formed on some topics and prefer to just shout them at each other rather than have a discussion.

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Post by nemothekid »

casefields wrote: post #44
nemothekid wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence Is there anywhere I can read about this elephant in the room? I'm not sure why the label is important here; is the implication that black people are ideologically motivated to attack Asians? Are you sure this was a hate crime (the driver was attacked because was Asian) or a crime of oppurtunity (the driver was attacked because he was an e…

It's what some would call Coulter's Corollary: >Named after a 2015 tweet from provocative conservative political commentator, Ann Coulter, Coulter's Law states that the longer it takes the news media to identify a mass shooter in the United States, the less likely it is to be a white male.

That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologically motivated uptick in crime where black people, specifically, are attacking asians. I'm not even arguing that he might be wrong, but I'm seeing this trope a lot more and I want to find out if there's any actual theory behind it or if I'm just going to find more 13/52.

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Post by haram_masala »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #43
sol_invictus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does black-on-asian violence have some kind of special status in comparison to black-on-any-other-skin-color violence?

Sure, let me try to explain. 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. 2. There's a lot of Asians (especially those from overseas) who don't understand the historical context, and aren't privy to empathy or compassion when they're being targeted. This dynamic isn't some…

I can’t speak to the other three points you made - though they sound reasonable and plausible. But divide-and-conquer is certainly being practiced in America today, both within ethnic communities and between them. It’s a nasty game orchestrated by the media and large corporations, and not fundamentally different than how it’s been practiced in other countries, like Rwanda and early Soviet Russia.

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Post by rkk3 »

“What I find most ridiculous is that the ‘take’ for Uber is often over 50% of the fare, especially with the $3.10 "safe ride fee" but their deductible for incidents like this is $2500,” he told me over e-mail. “My own insurance disclaimed the event because of Uber. So I get the entire bill.”

Sounds like they are charging tens of thousands of dollars a year in booking fees for each FT driver, how is the coverage that bad?

https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/what-is...

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Post by sebmellen »

haram_masala wrote: post #47
sebmellen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, doing this might only further perpetuate the racial biases people already hold; only now they're imbued with the feeling that the government is trying to suppress the truth because the situation is so bad. And in this case, they'd be right. Not a great situation...

One way to fight these biases is to remind ourselves that it’s a very small percentage of any demographic that commits violent crimes. It might be more useful, then, to say “99% of X people are never violent versus 99.2% of Y people.”

That's an interesting way of thinking of it. I suppose this reveals an inherent problem with using statistics to represent crime — their significance is easily distorted, even if the numbers themselves are accurate.

But to throw a hypothetical at you: is it right for an Asian person in San Francisco to be more scared when they see someone of "X" race than when they see someone of "Y" race?

Even if most of the people in the "X" group are nonviolent, if threats disproportionately come from the "X" group, it would not be unreasonable to be more wary of members of that group.

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