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How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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I have worked professionally with both. Let compare some features. Sticky notes, windows wins. Simpler, does not change background color of pasted text. Keyboard layout, crtl key is simply more ergonomically placed on a windows keyboard. Keyboard shortcuts for browsers, some of the shortcuts appear to be missing on Mac. MS office suite, no comparison. More hardware choice. Updates are less of a hassle on Mac, her iOS…

How is ctrl more ergonomic? Command is directly under your thumb.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#542

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Thanks, in Windows that starts the program, but I guess there's another key for that...I'll have to experiment more. I love my M1 Macbook Pro so much that I want to get used to the OS.

You can use Cmd+o to open a program (and the "return" key to rename it).

It sounds like these combinations wouldn't work in a file selector for example, but I will try them.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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> - There's no way to create an empty file Create it for what? To use to launch the app that handles it? Just open the respective app and save an empty or unedited file. > - There's no easy way to cut a file/folder (Cmd-x doesn't work) Copy as regularly (Cmd-C), and use Option-Cmd-V to move the file where you want to. > - There's no (?) way to keep everything consistently sorted and aligned Not sure what you mean. >…

You successfully managed to confirm all of the parent's complaints by showing that they aren't achievable in Finder, or don't follow a consistent convention and have to be done some other way.

All of those are achievable in Finder, the shortcuts I gave work precisely in Finder, and are also available as toolbar buttons and/or menu options.

>or don't follow a consistent convention and have to be done some other way.

The follow macOS conventions, not Windows conventions.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#544

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What's wrong with command-up to go to the enclosing folder? As the poster stated, you don't even need to use the keyboard shortcut, there's a menu item.

If I'm in a GUI app, I'm navigating with the mouse. Having to take my hand off the mouse to type Cmd+Up is not good UX for such a common command as "cd ..".

I already gave one method to do it with the mouse (Go -> Enclosing folder). There are several other ways to navigate to the parent.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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> - There's no way to create an empty file Create it for what? To use to launch the app that handles it? Just open the respective app and save an empty or unedited file. > - There's no easy way to cut a file/folder (Cmd-x doesn't work) Copy as regularly (Cmd-C), and use Option-Cmd-V to move the file where you want to. > - There's no (?) way to keep everything consistently sorted and aligned Not sure what you mean. >…

So basically "you're holding it wrong".

So basically "if you're expecting Windows conventions, you came to the wrong place".

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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> There's no way to create an empty file This is one of the features I never miss and don't use on any other DE (like KDE). I just open the app, create the file and save. Maybe it's just habit, but I personally doesn't find it as a needed feature. > There's no easy way to cut a file/folder (Cmd-x doesn't work) Just drag it where you want while pressing CMD? I know it's not cut but it prevents a lot of errors I think.…

> Just drag it where you want while pressing CMD? I know it's not cut but it prevents a lot of errors I think. That requires you to have both places visible on the screen at the same time. It's also a mouse+keyboard interaction, the least usbale kind of interaction.

You can use "move item here" (CMD + ALT + V) after you copy a file.

Speaking about discoverability, I've just found it a few minutes ago searching for "move" in the help menu.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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> - There's no way to create an empty file Create it for what? To use to launch the app that handles it? Just open the respective app and save an empty or unedited file. > - There's no easy way to cut a file/folder (Cmd-x doesn't work) Copy as regularly (Cmd-C), and use Option-Cmd-V to move the file where you want to. > - There's no (?) way to keep everything consistently sorted and aligned Not sure what you mean. >…

> Looks like all of the complains are basically "they're not where they was on Windows". Well... yeah kinda but not only. Windows does some things better, and it seems like a good idea to copy good UX paradigms wherever they come from. Also for some of these your answere is "why do you want to do this?" or "use some obscure keyboard magic". I want to because I want to. Sometimes I'm in a folder and want to create a s…

>I don't care, why is it not Cmd-X? Why do they break the universal standard with this?

Because there's no "universal standard". There's mac (which did UI/folders/etc before Windows), Windows, and there's X and modern Linux desktops which came late to the game and (especially traditional X) didn't have any consistent way to do this (or even oferred it).

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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> Why is it that when I click Finder, nothing actually opens? I have to hit Option+N to actually display a Finder window. Clicking Finder will open a new Finder window if none was created thus far, or bring up a minimized window. > Don't even get me started on the sort options. What kind of file manager applies a Sort view to every single directory, instead of the one you actually set the Sort view to? Not sure what…

I should have written it more clearly. It applies the sort view globally to all folders. What I want is the sort applied only to the folder I'm currently in.

You can use the global sort view settings, or you can right click, and chose Sort to override in the folder you're in. Or in table view, you can click the column bar and sort accordingly.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Sure, and that can be reserved for power users. You can right-click on applications to open them as folders, and the same could be done with DMG's. 99% of people just want to install or uninstall with a click, which is why I wish Finder made that the default workflow.

The dmg is just one drag. Meanwhile an installer flow seems to be more of a gauntlet you have to get through. For macos it is several mostly standardized pages, for windows it is more annoying, complete with dark patterns.

Just one drag?

More like unzip, double-click, drag, close, open a Finder window if you're on the desktop, find the mounted volume, click to eject, close window, select DMG and/or ZIP, delete.

I think it's having to locate the mounted volume and eject it in order to delete the DMG that is the dumbest part. How a regular user is supposed to even figure that out is a mystery to me. And, I mean, they don't:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7145087

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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> Why is it that when I click Finder, nothing actually opens? This would be an example of the 10% of the UI which isn't identical. One of the fundamental differences between macOS and Windows is the menu bar. There's only one at a time, and it belongs to the program which has the focus. A corollary of this is that you don't need a window to have a program. It's not just Finder, most macOS programs are perfectly happy…

The single menu bar design breaks down very quickly once you start using a large display. Evolve to multiple large displays and it is an absolute mess. The only option you have is to enable the toolbar on every screen, which starts to be laughable. I have used Windows setups with as many as 50 screens (command and control center). Having each application exist within its own window with all relevant menus in that win…

I'm not sure I fully understand the workflow here. I use three large 4k monitors with macOS, and it's straightforward for the most part. Then again, I basically never use the menu bar, since keyboard shortcuts are so consistent across apps. I just keep the dock on the primary display.

The only occasional pain point I encounter is when apps like Zoom automatically switch to "full screen mode".

There's also the option in Mission Control for "When switching to an application, switch to a Space with open windows for the application". If that feature is turned off, then you could, for example, have Chrome on _every_ desktop. Then it's just a matter of Cmd+tab to Chrome, and Cmd+n to open a new window on whichever display/desktop has the current focus.

For window management, I've found BetterSnapTool to be essential. It provides the typical window snapping from Windows. Better yet, you can setup keyboard shortcuts to quickly snap a window to the left side, right side, maximize, or move it to the next monitor. The shortcuts I use mimic Vim bindings, so it's easy to remember [1].

With caps locks remapped to Control in the Keyboard preferences, moving and re-sizing "windows" across multiple displays is fast & easy.

But I'm probably missing something with your particular use-case.

[0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bettersnaptool/id417375580?mt=... [1] https://imgur.com/a/YUufemN

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