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Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by app4soft »

sccxy wrote: post #34
3327 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, EU skies are no longer safe. If a journalist can be picked up, anyone can be. Ryann air is at fault, pilot really is - he could have kept his course. It would be a game of chicken and risky. So hard to say what is right wrong here. Most importantly, its the fact that EU is weak and Belarus did the math and concluded they would get away with it. Simple As that.

How can it be pilots fault? Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story. EU and NATO must show their strength now, it is not up to Ryanair anymore.

> Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story

MH17 is not related in any way to "bomb on a board" cases.

Russian state terrorists, invaded in Ukraine, shot down MH17 using surface-to-air missile.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by _fat_santa »

plantain wrote: post #24
tluyben2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not know why anyone uses them still. I find them awful in every way. Will stay-cation if I cannot afford the ticket with another airline.

Because you'll often be faced with a 500 euro+ fare for a short flight on the national airlines, with either one of WizzAir/RyanAir offering the same flight for 20-80 euro. 9/10 times the service is near-identical to a flagship. 1/10 times, the sub-par exception handling reveals itself. That's a trade-off I make regularly to save 400 euros.

They are cheaper until their not. Family booked a flight to Colorado from Georgia one winter to go skiing. Spirit let us know an hour before the flight that out flight was overbooked and offered us another flight....4 days later.

We ended up coughing up an extra $1200 to fly Delta and Spirit never refunded us because "we could have taken the flight we offered". Last time I ever flew with a budget air carrier.

Now I fly Delta, I pay more per flight but I've been screwed over in the same manner exactly zero times since. In fact Delta has gotten me out of situations of my own doing that Spirit or any budget airline would have shrugged at and told me to suit myself.

At this point I consider the premium on airfare an insurance policy of sorts, might pay an extra $100-200 per flight but if that means not running the risk of screwing up a trip I paid thousands to put together, I'll take it.

Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by viraptor »

plantain wrote: post #24
tluyben2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not know why anyone uses them still. I find them awful in every way. Will stay-cation if I cannot afford the ticket with another airline.

Because you'll often be faced with a 500 euro+ fare for a short flight on the national airlines, with either one of WizzAir/RyanAir offering the same flight for 20-80 euro. 9/10 times the service is near-identical to a flagship. 1/10 times, the sub-par exception handling reveals itself. That's a trade-off I make regularly to save 400 euros.

The really annoying part is that there are no reasonable prices. Often the options are for example Ryanair for 50, or KLM for 500. I'd happily pay more than 50, but I'm not paying 500 for a 2h flight.

Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by asd4232 »

consp wrote: post #33
plantain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you'll often be faced with a 500 euro+ fare for a short flight on the national airlines, with either one of WizzAir/RyanAir offering the same flight for 20-80 euro. 9/10 times the service is near-identical to a flagship. 1/10 times, the sub-par exception handling reveals itself. That's a trade-off I make regularly to save 400 euros.

There is a major difference: space. I cannot sit in a ryanair/transavia/whizzair seat for more than takeoff before the person in front has destroyed my knees. Most "premium" airlines have 1-2 inches more space and the option for more spacious seats.

That is true. Not a major concern for most shorter people though. As a teenager I once did a 12 hour flight (with refuel stop) on a charter 757 with 29" seat space. Didn't find it terribly uncomfortable back then to be honest. Apparently Ryanair has 30" space.

Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by _fat_santa »

I wonder if EU airlines will now start avoiding Belarusian airspace if they aren't actually flying in to Belarus. Or I wonder if they will just disclose the flightpath prior to take-off.

If I was an Russia/Belarus opposition journalist, I'd be scared shitless to fly around the EU and risk something like this happening.

Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by sccxy »

app4soft wrote: post #41
sccxy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can it be pilots fault? Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story. EU and NATO must show their strength now, it is not up to Ryanair anymore.

> Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story MH17 is not related in any way to "bomb on a board" cases. Russian state terrorists, invaded in Ukraine, shot down MH17 using surface-to-air missile.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

So state shot down passenger plane.

Thank god that it did not happen to Ryanair.

Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by odshoifsdhfs »

tluyben2 wrote: post #18
nasduia wrote: post #5

The main purpose of that statement (as always with Ryanair) was to state it was outside of their control and therefore they will auto-reject any claims for delay compensation, regardless of legality.

I do not know why anyone uses them still. I find them awful in every way. Will stay-cation if I cannot afford the ticket with another airline.

Let's see, will fly with them tomorrow. Faro->Porto (550km). 9.95 euros. 50 minutes flight

Train-> 6 hours, which is usually 7+ due to delays (last one I did in December was 7.20 making me late for a training) and costs 39 euros (20 if I buy 1 month in advance)

National airline -> No direct flight, need to fly to Lisbon and then Porto, total around 4-5 hours (two flights + layover), 80+ euros last time I checked. Service exactly the same (last time I used them, not even a glass of water was offered due to short fly times)

Car -> 5 or so hours, around 100 euros taking in account tolls + gas (is ok if 2+ people are doing the trip though)

Yeah, I will take the short sitting space (fuck, I would even stand in this route if needed, I have had longer train rides where I had to stand).

Re: Ryanair’s statement on diversion to Minsk Airport

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Post by app4soft »

tW4r wrote: post #37
app4soft wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well two MiG-29 was actually "escorting" the plane Info about MiG's escort NOT verified — there are no any photos/videos at this moment which shows MiG-29 side-by-side with Ryanair's plane.

There is an interview with the First Deputy Commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of Belarus where he confirms that Mig-29 escorted the Boeing https://youtu.be/dsyfJ_HqjtQ Additionally there is an alleged video of the Mig landing after escort with 6 air-to-air missiles visible https://youtu.be/AV8Im44ZtoI

Non of those sources shows MiG-29's side-by-side with Ryanair's plane in flight.
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