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Post by lanstin »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #259
fastaguy88 wrote: post #194

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Pretty hard to know who the minority is in this case. Based on other HN opinions about Apple products, there seems to be a consensus that Apple customers are mostly not tech savvy. If they were, they wouldn’t buy Apple stuff.

Even though this is a stereotype not grounded in reality and there are plenty of techie people who buy Apple products.

Lots of tech folks buy apple and at the same time vast majority of Apple customers should not be trusted to do valid security assessment or maintain good operational security.

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Post by slver »

sciprojguy wrote: post #268
slver wrote: post #115

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Yes. Google's strategy is simple: 1. The web should be able to control everything (i.e. PWA features not normally found in a browser). 2. Google should control the web (they can index it, track, monetize it, but it has to be on the web). 3. Profit. Do you think Apple users are super excited at the prospect of most apps turning into battery-draining non-native shitty experiences, instead of using the iOS frameworks? N…

Long-time iOS developer here who does not want cross-platform dreck to become the standard. UIKit and SwiftUI are deep frameworks that let you build really great user experiences (if you're willing to put in the work to learn them), and Apple spends a ton of time and money making sure they can work together and build an iOS app that looks and feels like an iOS app, not someone's crappy "web site in a native wrapper"…

I'm honestly glad to see one dev who cares about their craft and not just "I wanna spit some HTML and boom, it's on all phones".

HN is mostly frequented by developers, and it's so frustrating to see how many of them are outright lazy and don't think about UX but rather about how to get quickest from point A to point B.

Rest assured most phone users are with you all the way. But again, we wouldn't know it reading developer forums.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

tomp wrote: post #40
Hamuko wrote: post #2

Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

You're making Tim Cook sound stupid and/or evil, but he does have a point. > If customers really value real, safe drugs, even if there's multiple drug suppliers (some offering fake, unsafe drugs), people should still go to a pharmacy? > It seems like a decision that they shouldn't have to make. > Will people not be able to distinguish between safe drugs and fake unsafe drugs? > They've never had to do it before.

This is my take on what Tim Cook should have answered

> If customers really value real, safe drugs, even if there's multiple drug suppliers (some offering fake, unsafe drugs), people should still go to a pharmacy?

That shouldn't be Apple problem, we have governments for that.

> Will people not be able to distinguish between safe drugs and fake unsafe drugs

That shouldn't be our concern, we as the supplier of the market place should only worry about abiding to the law and report those that don't when they use our system

If they don't use our system, it shouldn't be our responsibility.

But Tim Cook is not on trial for selling illegal drugs, he's trying to make Apple look like the only possible guardian of user's safety. Because it's in Apple interests, not because it's best for users (I mean that Tim Cook can't possibly know if Epic store would be less safe than theirs, he - admittedly - never made that experiment)

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

criddell wrote: post #192
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #76

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This is why Apple holds back important APIs from their browser, years after they are available in other browsers: fast 3D graphics, offline storage and compute, push notifications, to name a few.

I might buy into that theory if they didn't have Apple Pay in the browser.

You mean the feature that lets them take a cut of every transaction that goes through it?

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Post by samhain »

wccrawford wrote: post #4

Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

Imagine Apple wanting their cut from Google, because I used the chrome app to buy something off of Amazon.

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Post by yyyk »

merrywhether wrote: post #191
rdedev wrote: post #119

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I don't get this argument. How can an alternative app Store affect the quality of the Apple app Store ? The alternate app Store is not gonna come installed by default. No one is gonna mistake the alternative app Store for the apple one. Apple is gonna make sure of that. Apple can even put up loads of warnings and dark UI stuff when installing an alternate app Store to dissuade the "noob" users.

Hypothetical progression: Epic sets up alternative App Store which becomes the only source of Fortnite 2.0, which is popular enough to drive installs of new alt store. Some other newly-popular viral app comes along (probably a social app that causes its users to exert pressure on their social group to join) and gambles on going with the Epic store only, piggybacking on Fortnite’s beachhead. Repeat. This process norma…

None of this happens on Android despite allowing multiple app stores. And companies can already install software for their employers via MDM.

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Post by theptip »

zrail wrote: post #250
ImprovedSilence wrote: post #180

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What about funding your robinhood account from your bank and not a card, so neither you nor robinhood pay transaction fees?

Bank rails still cost money on a per transaction basis.

ACH costs a few cents per transaction. I’ve never seen a company pass this on to their customers.

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Post by kitsunesoba »

nr2x wrote: post #247
d3nj4l wrote: post #211

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You can very easily link your iCal with Google Calendar, and likewise sync your contacts with your Google account. I know because I've done both.

You can't access iCloud calendars on an Android phone, they even block it over the browser.

It's a bit convoluted, but you can get the CalDAV URLs for your calendars which then work just fine with any CalDAV client (including those on Android). When googling "iCloud caldav" detailed instructions are the first result.

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Post by tw04 »

wccrawford wrote: post #4

Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

So how do you feel about consoles? Because if they don’t get a cut they don’t survive. I can’t see how you can set a legal precedent against Apple that doesn’t apply to Sony/MS/Nintendo as well.

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Post by tshaddox »

yosito wrote: post #155
tomp wrote: post #40

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You're making Tim Cook sound stupid and/or evil, but he does have a point. > If customers really value real, safe drugs, even if there's multiple drug suppliers (some offering fake, unsafe drugs), people should still go to a pharmacy? > It seems like a decision that they shouldn't have to make. > Will people not be able to distinguish between safe drugs and fake unsafe drugs? > They've never had to do it before.

This is a good illustration of the point. But at the same time, customers have multiple pharmacies to choose from. And I'm pretty sure that it's still more the government regulators' job (FDA, etc) to decide what's safe to sell or not, than it is the for-profit corporations'.

Customers have multiple smartphone choices too, and most people choose non-Apple smartphones. If people want a smartphone where they can easily install any software from any source, there are plenty of very good options.
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