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Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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I just don't buy this argument that Apple maintaining control over iOS is necessary for privacy. I think it's a false dichotomy. If you build a good OS, with good strong APIs, you can achieve both privacy and a more open ecosystem.

Lets say Apple allowed side-loading. They would have no way to examine side-loaded apps to see what they do. iOS would have to provide access to various basic services like networking and connectivity, but not e.g. your address book without checking with the user. All well and good.

So I could write an app that interrogates the cellular network and other sources to implement location tracking (cruder than GPS but good enough for many purposes), snoops local wifi networks for information about connected devices. Even if it couldn't run in the background, it could snoop network traffic from iOS built in background services while it was running. If it had a built-in browser function it could track whatever browsing activity it liked. I'm sure there are plenty of other snooping activities that could be implemented that I can't think of in 5 minutes.

So there are plenty of ways such an app could violate your privacy, and you would never know. Right now, such apps have to pass App Store Review and such activity can be detected and the App kicked out. So side-loading potentially bypasses a lot of controls that can't really be implemented directly in the OS.

Users like yourself might assume that Apple could prevent these things in the OS, might think that even with side loading this is Apple's responsibility to protect you from it, as you seem to do. That a "good OS" as you put it would not allow these things to happen even in side loaded apps, therefore iOS can't be a "good OS" if side loaded apps break your privacy in ways you hadn't anticipated. But it's not all about the OS. This is the sort of reputational damage Apple is trying to avoid.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Because my grandma is clueless and I give her an iPhone so she doesn’t install malware like she managed to on her Android phone

So the solution is to force majority of the population to use Apple store, to protect minority of the population who aren't tech savvy? If Apple allowed other stores, before a user can install an app from non-Apple store, iOS can show a message saying the app is not from Apple's holy store and that it is users responsibility to make sure the app is trustworthy? This won't be pretty, but at least it is a compromise. T…

But then Epic will have detailed instructions on how to sideload apps, and if enough apps do this it will be common practice for users to do so. If users are trained to do this by safe apps, they won't be on the lookout for the malware that does the same thing.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

There's nothing weird about it.

If there were no food regulations, I don't know if I'd be able to pick restaurants and grocery store brands that were safe to eat.

But I definitely know I want safe food to eat.

Most people want safe food but they want the government to figure out what that means.

Same thing here -- most people just want a safe app store. They don't want the work of having to figure out which app stores are how safe. They just want Apple to figure that out for them.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

Unfortunately, Apple has to maintain this rule because otherwise developers will implement workarounds to avoid charging in the App Store altogether. Remember when eBay charged a commission on the sale price but not shipping? Suddenly $50 items became $1 with $49 shipping -- so eBay had to charge the commission on the shipping too even though it didn't seem "fair". Same here -- every app would turn free, and charge t…

Couldn't Apple recoup any losses by charging app publishers 'rent' to be listed on the app store?

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

Unfortunately, Apple has to maintain this rule because otherwise developers will implement workarounds to avoid charging in the App Store altogether. Remember when eBay charged a commission on the sale price but not shipping? Suddenly $50 items became $1 with $49 shipping -- so eBay had to charge the commission on the shipping too even though it didn't seem "fair". Same here -- every app would turn free, and charge t…

Is your argument that Apple shouldn't themselves bear the responsibility of choosing an unsustainable/immoral/illegal business model?

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

#176

Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

Unfortunately, Apple has to maintain this rule because otherwise developers will implement workarounds to avoid charging in the App Store altogether. Remember when eBay charged a commission on the sale price but not shipping? Suddenly $50 items became $1 with $49 shipping -- so eBay had to charge the commission on the shipping too even though it didn't seem "fair". Same here -- every app would turn free, and charge t…

There are other ways if you're honestly trying to be fair. eBay for instance could have made 10% of (price+shipping) exempt assuming 10% was the nominal fraction before abuses.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

The average iPhone user would not be able to tell the difference between an official App Store and a sophisticated copy.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Cook didn't say anything about tracking purchases, or even getting a cut as such. He said they would need to find another way to invoice developers, which just means another revenue model, that's all.

Invoice developers for using their intellectual property? How dare Apple expect a revenue share from developers who use their tools and libraries. Companies that make tools and libraries should be forced to give them away for free. Like Unreal Engine. Completely free, no exceptions.

...why?

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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If a developer's net profit margin, after dev and marketing costs, is less than 60%, then Apple makes more money on the app than the developer. 30% is outrageous.

You’re saying that 60% of 70% is less than 30%?

Doesn't seem quite right.

Users Will Pay: $100

Dev Profit per $100: $60

Apples Cut/Profit: $30/$29.99

Dev Cut/Profit: $70/$42

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Divide and conquer. It's gaming and software apps now. It'll be bank transactions and commerce later on. A 1% "Apple Platform Safety Fee" on Robinhood wouldn't surprise me....

Sounds like you’re complaining about a hypothetical future where they charge less than Visa and MasterCard? https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/average-credit-card...

What about funding your robinhood account from your bank and not a card, so neither you nor robinhood pay transaction fees?
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