The weird thing is how it’s all seems so co-ordinated. As if the HR departments of every firm get their marching orders from some central advocacy group.
HR is not usually an important or powerful part of a company. I wonder if HR people, consciously or subconsciously, are drawn to the idea of being important and powerful for once.
Woke at Work: Why tech firms are trying to run away from politics and failing
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I agree with your sentiment that we are more than replacable robots. But I think for a long time 'a whole person' referred to your character, your hobbies, your family, your quirks. And politics was a small, and usually private part of that. We are in a time now where politics is tribal and has usurped a huge part of people's identities. To the point they see the other tribe as the devil merely by association. And I…
Politics is an expression of your moral values. It's always been an important part of a person.
Would you agree that to publicly descent from the majority would more often result in ridicule, not discussion?
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I don't get it. What's the insight here?
How often does a single vote decide an election? Never? Therefore your optimal move is not to waste your time voting - you gain nothing. If everyone thought that way it would be bad perhaps? But they don't so it doesn't matter to you. It might be argued discussing politics contributes to some emergent consensus forming that benefits society, but that consensus will form whether you participate or not and in exactly t…
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I don’t think everyone interpreted “Simpsons yellow” as race-less. Certainly the show didn’t - On the show, Homer identifies as a white male IIRC, and some characters (like Apu) are not yellow. You have to pick some skin tone for the default; just floating features would be off putting. Believing that the pan-white default of “simpsons yellow” is raceless because you feel represented in it excludes that others might…
This is why I've always preferred the unifont interpretation of emojis: just monochrome graphics that get rendered with the same color as the surrounding text.
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#775I'm not sure where we go from here, but not being able to escape anxiety-inducing situations in a workplace is the definition of a toxic work environment. I don't think the answer is a return to 20th century "no politics at work," but at the FAANG I worked at, politics was impossible to avoid. Even the desire to be apolitical is itself criticized at worst and not respected at best. Work doesn't afford the use of the…
"not being able to escape anxiety-inducing situations" This sounds like an emotionally abusive environment unless you happen to agree with the political agenda being pushed. To feel socially pressured to go along or else be ostracized from your work is fairly awful. I'm fortunate that I've worked in a rather politically balanced industry which naturally turns out to be apolitical as a consequence of mere demographics…
That's society in general, not just work.
https://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-38-think-as...
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Do you know the expression 'no politics or religion'? That is because you can't create a nice and fun environment where people start clashing over these topics. You can discuss personal things, make jokes with your colleagues, etc. I think that is a very healthy environment. An environment where people have strong opinions on politics an religion is never a nice environment. Never. So I think it's fair that in a work…
People with strong opinions can still talk about them and get along. See every time interfaith community leaders collaborate on a food drive, charity event, etc. The key is to remember that not everyone agrees with your strong opinion, or even cares about that, and that shouldn't make them any less important to you as a person. And yes, these environments exist, I've worked in them.
While it is mathematically true that people can do this, the vast majority prove they choose not to nearly every single day. And once called out on it, it becomes another "tone policing" issue.
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> This is a pretty vague statement especially as OP mentioned fiction. Not some book espousing his political views. The book in question is a memoir by Antonio Garcia Martinez from what I’ve read. While there’s an argument to be made that even memoir and non-fiction are in a way fiction, this wasn’t an outright work of fiction. It contained misogynistic statements you’d expect to be true to how the author thinks beca…
> there’s an argument to be made that even memoir and non-fiction are in a way fiction What argument is that? I don't see how you can even say that with a straight face.
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Your labor and skills are not owed because they got lucky, they are owed because that is what you are exchanging with the owner for money. They may tolerate (and even enjoy) your personal quirks and causes, but they are paying you to get things done that they don't have the time or skill to do themselves. [Edit: Accidentally left ou a letter]
"Your labour and are not owed because they got lucky, they are owed because that is what you are exchanging with the lord for the privilege to work this land" "Your labour and skills are not owed because they got lucky, they are owed because that is what you are exchanging with the owner to pay back your debt and earn your freedom" You can use that logic to justify any oppression as long as you frame it in the langua…
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#779I hope there will be more anti-woke companies in the near future where I can work instead of getting distracted by brainwashed wokes.
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Somewhere farther down another commenter asked if I would consider it race neutral if it was dark magenta. My response was yeah sure. If it is not a real skin tone it is neutral and i would feel just as attached to it and feel it is raceless equally as bright yellow. I don't feel anymore or less represented either. *edited for spelling
Dark magenta would probably have the same problem that floating features have, which is it distracts from the content (and would probably be hard to read compared to actual skin tones). The situation was, people chose yellow as the default, and that excluded some people. So, if we cared about being polite and fixing it for those people, and if our options were to either change to some hideous magenta that couldn’t be…