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Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by cratermoon »

Pfhreak wrote: post #118
GongOfFour wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the website for one of the groups pushing for this: https://www.greateridaho.org/ Taxes are just one part of this. They list these other issues of concern: > 1. American Values: Oregon will continue to violate more and more American values and American freedoms because normal rural Americans are outnumbered in Oregon. Not in Idaho. Addicts will be attracted to Oregon from all over the world by the 2020 drug d…

> Oregon will continue to violate more and more American values and American freedoms Haha, what? If Oregon is doing stuff, it's definitionally an American value and American Freedom, right? Who gets to decide what an "American *" is? > > 4. Safety: Idaho allows forests to be managed to prevent destruction of housing from huge wildfires. They do realize that Idaho and Oregon have different climates and different prec…

> violate more and more American values and American freedoms

By this the folks in eastern Oregon are criticizing Democratic Gov. Brown for her approach to the pandemic: you know, normal things like closing restaurants and churches, requiring masks indoors, etc.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by ilamont »

akvadrako wrote: post #51
twobitshifter wrote: post #22

A town in Vermont voted multiple times to join New Hampshire. It unsurprisingly never happened. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killington,_Vermont_secessio...

The Upper Valley in western NH (where I'm from) also kind of seceded to Vermont for a short while: https://www.flowofhistory.org/the-rebellion-in-western-new-h...

Another weird border situation played out in the "Oblong" where a botched Colonial land survey created a kind of no-man's land between New York State, Connecticut, and the southwest corner of Massachusetts. How it got resolved related to an utterly bizarre incident in the 1850s.

https://anchor.fm/lostmass/episodes/The-Lost-Corner-AKA-Hell...

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by fyijbxmuyidudm »

schaefer wrote: post #144
GongOfFour wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the website for one of the groups pushing for this: https://www.greateridaho.org/ Taxes are just one part of this. They list these other issues of concern: > 1. American Values: Oregon will continue to violate more and more American values and American freedoms because normal rural Americans are outnumbered in Oregon. Not in Idaho. Addicts will be attracted to Oregon from all over the world by the 2020 drug d…

Can I just say, for me the use of the term "illegals" under the section of Law and Order comes across as a dehumanizing slur. how unfortunate.

Illegals is, of course, a shorthand for illegal alien. The shorthand was created because of the regularity of having to describe such an individual. In what way could someone describe the reality of "a person who has violated international border agreements and is residing in a country in violation of the laws of that country" that you would not consider dehumanizing?

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by hackyhacky »

ModernMech wrote: post #169
schaefer wrote: post #144

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Can I just say, for me the use of the term "illegals" under the section of Law and Order comes across as a dehumanizing slur. how unfortunate.

I'm struck by how "homeless" is included in a list containing "criminals", "arsonists", and "rioters". The homeless aren't people we need protection from, they're people we need to help.

Traditional conservative dogma requires the belief that poverty or misfortune follows from an inherent moral failing, never from circumstance. Therefore criminals cannot be reformed, homeless cannot be helped. The only solution is to remove them.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by fyijbxmuyidudm »

ModernMech wrote: post #169
schaefer wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I just say, for me the use of the term "illegals" under the section of Law and Order comes across as a dehumanizing slur. how unfortunate.

I'm struck by how "homeless" is included in a list containing "criminals", "arsonists", and "rioters". The homeless aren't people we need protection from, they're people we need to help.

They can be both.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by DaniloDias »

shaftoe wrote: post #72
mjevans wrote: post #35

Given the article's mention of Rural vs Urban I lean towards the belief that this is driven by a sense of both conservative values in government and probably a lack of understanding in how the government of the people serves the people. More precisely how taxes and math work. The GAO and similar offices should do a better job of preparing reports on where every collected tax dollar is being spent; both in the physica…

Do you notice that you've defined your own viewpoint as rational and supported by data and the viewpoint of others as "probably focused around emotions"?

OP’s structure of argument should be a well established anti-pattern.

I wish more people recognized that it is a tempting and lazy logical fallacy. It is fundamentally disrespectful to assume that people who don’t agree with you are too emotional. If you make this argument, you are killing your own argument, unless you support it with facts. OP demonstrates this uncharitability by asserting a lack of data, and then assuming emotions explain it. Go hang out with a more diverse crowd, OP. You are robbing yourself of life’s tapestry.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by ncallaway »

snowwrestler wrote: post #163
ncallaway wrote: post #131

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If drugs have been criminalized for decades, and that has led to overdoses being at an all time high, isn’t that just a pretty strong point of evidence that criminalizing drugs isn’t an effective means to prevent overdoses? We tried that strategy for many decades. It has failed as a strategy for decades. I don’t think that’s necessarily evidence that decriminalization will work, but it seems like...maybe we should at…

Governments that have addressed drug use as a health issue, rather than a criminal issue, have shown good results. If this is the direction Oregon is intending to go, it is certainly worth trying. But if it will just be an unstructured free-for-all I doubt it will result in any improvements.

I’m not closely familiar with the Oregon legislation, but usually decriminalizing drugs is paired with those kinds of approaches, so I would be very surprised if that wasn’t the case with Oregon’s legislation.

Decriminalization is usually just a necessary prerequisite to make the medical approach practically workable. I’d expect most legislatures would avoid touching the decriminalization issue if they could.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by [deleted] »

mjevans wrote: post #35

Given the article's mention of Rural vs Urban I lean towards the belief that this is driven by a sense of both conservative values in government and probably a lack of understanding in how the government of the people serves the people. More precisely how taxes and math work. The GAO and similar offices should do a better job of preparing reports on where every collected tax dollar is being spent; both in the physica…

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