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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by lbriner »

cies wrote: post #43
mmastrac wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like the stuff I worked on 15 years ago in the oil and gas sector (in fairness, IE + applets _were_ the best choice at the time).

> IE + applets _were_ the best choice at the time Depends on the constraints. Qt was around and mature for many years in 2006. Ruby on Rails had it's first release mid 2004. Django mid-2005. Again it depends on the constrains, what you can "the best choice in 2006" is limping now. Meanwhile an app built in 2006 on Qt/RoR/Django would be on a platform that is currently still being considered for green field devt. With…

The oil and gas sector are not going to be using 2-year old software to develop safety critical systems. Can you honestly imagine using Ruby on Rails for monitoring an oil rig?

The timescale for a supplier to be in-business in order to prove their safety-critical credentials, the time it takes experienced developers to learn a language or framework and prove that it works, the time it takes to find, specify, build and deliver a project in these circles means you would be hard pushed to find anything that is less than 10 years old being used outside of startups.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by lbriner »

dheera wrote: post #65
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #11

My current employer will be devastated. The user interface of our currently in development program requires IE + Java applets.

I don't think IE will self-implode, you just won't get "support", whatever that means.

Haha, yeah, don't really get any support anyway except those forums where they tell you to reinstall Windows if it is still not working :-)

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by OakNinja »

skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

I was helping a friend out with html email templates a while ago, and it was like time traveling back to 2001 Geocities web development. Table hell…

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by selfhoster11 »

SilverRed wrote: post #237
tofukid wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email supports instant notifications, via your provider’s app or IMAP IDLE. I use Fastmail and get push notifications for email the instant it is received.

The point is if I turned on instant notifications I would go insane because they would never stop. I receive lots of emails and a lot of them are not very important or at least not urgent. While every IM I receive is something I at least want to glance at now.

That point, frankly, applies to some Slack workspaces too. Some of them just have too many notifications to keep track of.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by jp555 »

munk-a wrote: post #107
detritus wrote: post #86

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Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

I have a version of myself aged in their twenties and working in web development that really wants to stab anyone believing that IE6 was the best browser. I won't argue that it wasn't decent at launch, but MS kept support for that browser around way too long and failed to actually roll out support for new features that customers desired. I believe it was the era of IE6 specifically that led to the proliferation of to…

As a web developer, I might have billed 3x more hours thanks to IE 6. :P

I hated it but it made me a lot of money for many years, mostly thanks to governments requiring IE 6 support. LOL

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by thrower123 »

easton wrote: post #80
skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

When Outlook becomes a PWA (currently in test, I think it's probably two-three years from stable), it'll be rendering mail with all the functionality of Blink. Which depending on your point of view, means a sigh of relief or time to buy more RAM. https://www.windowscentral.com/project-monarch-outlook-web-u...

Damn, hopefully it is more than two or three years out. I'm enjoying Outlook being one of the most stable and least resource-hungry applications that I run on a daily basis.

Also, if it's going to be a packaged-up version of the Outlook webapp, I'm going to lose the global unread mail folder, which is going to kill me, given the way my inbox folders and rules are set up by customer.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by Vinnl »

djxfade wrote: post #117
easton wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Outlook becomes a PWA (currently in test, I think it's probably two-three years from stable), it'll be rendering mail with all the functionality of Blink. Which depending on your point of view, means a sigh of relief or time to buy more RAM. https://www.windowscentral.com/project-monarch-outlook-web-u...

But Gmail is already a web app, and only supports a tiny subset of modern HTML and CSS. The limitation is of course arbitrary, it could in theory support any modern standards. But HTML mail is so quirky and full of hacks, that they probably have to do it that way to preserve compatibility. Apple's Mail app is one of the few modern mail clients that can render modern HTML/CSS

AFAIK Thunderbird just uses Gecko - I wonder whether it's not running into similar problems.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by brnt »

jefftk wrote: post #15

By moving to Microsoft Edge, you get everything described above plus you’ll be able to extend the life of your legacy websites and apps well beyond the Internet Explorer 11 desktop application retirement date using IE mode. Internet Explorer mode in Microsoft Edge will be supported through at least 2029. While IE11 as an independent program is going away, the rendering engine is still around for 8+y. Here's hoping th…

I wonder if MS will remove Webview and ship Webview2 by default now.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by golergka »

formercoder wrote: post #203
easton wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Outlook becomes a PWA (currently in test, I think it's probably two-three years from stable), it'll be rendering mail with all the functionality of Blink. Which depending on your point of view, means a sigh of relief or time to buy more RAM. https://www.windowscentral.com/project-monarch-outlook-web-u...

Wow this is awful. I just moved to an outlook company after years on google. It’s so nice having my mail client be native.

Is it?

For an application which has rendering HTML content (emails) as its primary function, being a PWA and using something like Electron actually sounds like a good choice.

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