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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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I think you proved his point. ;) He's talking about the Mozilla browser, the precursor to Firefox. (Well actually, Firefox was named Phoenix before it became Firefox.)

Firebird

First Phoenix then Firebird, then they changed the name to Firefox because of the similarly named database (https://firebirdsql.org/).

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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And that is all they should care about if the product is EOL. Good software engineering is all about building something that meets current business needs while being flexible enough to adapt to future needs. When you lose this flexibility, you need to refactor or changes become too difficult to implement. IE11 isn’t getting any new features. It’s in maintenance mode. Cleaning up the code in major ways at this point w…

If I was in that position and had nothing else to do, why not leisurely refactor and clean up the code in a piecemeal fashion?

I could really only see that if your job title is "IE11 maintainer" and for the next 10 years you clock in, drink coffee and chat while waiting for a CVE to come in to fix. But you'd still rather not touch anything because there's really only risk and no reward to it.

Realistically it'll just be part of a far larger security team that fixes bugs in a large number of software preferably prioritising bugs based on severity where there's always going to be something better to do than mess with old codebases.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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post #193

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Sounds like you’re talking about the subset of HTML+CSS used in ePub. Come to think, ebooks and emails have pretty similar “richness” needs.

That's a great idea, just use the ePub standard. Never made the connection between ebook formatting and email formatting before, nice.

Most ePub readers are intentionally not compliant with the standard, because the standard allows way too much. Including, for example, arbitrary execution.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Some options for automating website tests in Firefox: WebDriver: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/WebDriver Marionette: https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/testing/marionette/I... Puppeteer: https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/04/puppeteer-3-firefox-suppo... I haven't used these tools, so I don't know which is "best" or why so many different tools are needed. :)

I don’t want to run tests, I want to drive the browser for the customer. I guess it’s time to learn chrome extensions

Mozilla uses Marionette to automate its own browser UI testing (not just clicking on web pages).

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

I work in small business IT, and I literally have to use IE11 on a weekly basis to interface with some shoddy something.

And it's not necessarily just old stuff, either- there are brand new NVRs and cameras going in today that require IE and some godforsaken ActiveX control to work. IE is going to be around for a long time.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Why have HTML email in the first place? No other messaging client lets you send entire HTML documents as messages. Just send me some words and a link to click on in a proper browser. The fact that HTML email is so bloated and a nightmare to eyeballs eveywhere is (IMO) a huge reason why conversations (even professional ones) shifted over to Slack, SMS, WhatsApp, FB Messenger, etc. I want a place to talk to people, not…

You're comment made me think about why we actually use slack/IM when email is just as capable and I think the answer is that I can have notifications turned on for IM and I can't do that for email. Which means I respond much slower to email. IM is one of the last places on the internet not filled with automated crap, advertisers and spam. And to be fair, some of that automated crap I actually want and browse through…

Email supports instant notifications, via your provider’s app or IMAP IDLE. I use Fastmail and get push notifications for email the instant it is received.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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You're comment made me think about why we actually use slack/IM when email is just as capable and I think the answer is that I can have notifications turned on for IM and I can't do that for email. Which means I respond much slower to email. IM is one of the last places on the internet not filled with automated crap, advertisers and spam. And to be fair, some of that automated crap I actually want and browse through…

Email supports instant notifications, via your provider’s app or IMAP IDLE. I use Fastmail and get push notifications for email the instant it is received.

The point is if I turned on instant notifications I would go insane because they would never stop. I receive lots of emails and a lot of them are not very important or at least not urgent. While every IM I receive is something I at least want to glance at now.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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That's a real end of an era. Internet Explorer's legacy engine is going to be relegated to old grayhair horror stories. Not unhappy it's going away, but it feels like a big chapter is closing.

Now it passes the torch of shitty feature support to Safari
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