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How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a "nation state"? edit: Wikipedia says there are around 20 nation states. I don't know why you're picking those out specifically though.

The rest of the world would call "country", but American govspeak has decided to call "nation state" for some weird reason.

The English language is horribly ambiguous and confused around words like nation, state, nation state, country, nationality, citizenship, ethnicity, race etc.

Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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Anyone who even remotely looked at the numbers and followed the situation can tell Dream cheated. The only people I see claiming otherwise are either infatuated with his cult of personality or otherwise just don't give a shit, "It's just a kids game who cares"? I care. I am heavily invested in speedrunning culture, but myself am mostly involved in the Halo community. I have a couple of world records of my own, and I…

I can already do this for most popular speed games, and it’s not a big problem. The TAS tools will help the community much more than they will hurt integrity.

Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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Anyone who even remotely looked at the numbers and followed the situation can tell Dream cheated. The only people I see claiming otherwise are either infatuated with his cult of personality or otherwise just don't give a shit, "It's just a kids game who cares"? I care. I am heavily invested in speedrunning culture, but myself am mostly involved in the Halo community. I have a couple of world records of my own, and I…

Disclaimer: I am not part of the community (for example: I wouldn't even have known about the Dream scandal if it weren't for the video by Matt Parker), so feel free to take my opinion with a bucket of salt.

It might be an idea to decide as a community that the time of completely unassisted speedrun leaderboards has passed, and shift the competitive element of your community to technological advancements in TAS tools.

Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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A few hot takes of mine: - Something small is throwing off someone's calculations ... Perhaps some small fact about the RNGs that is not common knowledge - I'm a 31 year old and followed the events and was thoroughly on Dreams side, and accepted his (handwavey despite hiring a math person) explanation, mostly on character and verisimilitude - The consensus of most people seems to be that he cheated and is a convincin…

> Perhaps some small fact about the RNGs that is not common knowledge

The MC speedrunning team reviewed the Minecraft RNG.

Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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I've had other people bring this up and they framed it in this wavering "Well maybe he cheated, maybe he didn't, but it was suspicious" kind of way. The idea that Dream was NOT playing on a rigged version of Minecraft is so astronomically unlikely as to be ludicrous. People go to prison based on far far less reasonable doubt, if be consider dream innocent we may as well let everybody out of jail, since they could be…

I can only imagine the reaction of all prisoners in large Federal corrections institutions if one sunny morning they are lined up and processing for the release of every single inmate starts to take place.

"What's going on, officer?"

"Supreme court just ruled on the Minecraft speedrun case."

"What's that?"

"This Youtube asshole got sued for playing a video game or something. I don't know. Hughes, what was it?"

"He mined a diamond on his second try."

"This asshole mined a diamond on his second try. Now all youse are getting released."

"So what's going on, we're gonna get a retrial or something?"

"Nah. Everyone here is going home."

The release of all incarcerated felons in the United States passes off almost without incident, although police leave in Chicago is cancelled after several homicides in the downtown area on a single night. These are believed to involve released prisoners, but this was never confirmed. Pawnshops and liquor stores in several areas of the country hire extra security for the following week after viral WhatsApp messages warn of a crime wave, but the expected spike in criminal behavior never takes place.

On the afternoon of the second day of releases two Marshalls and a adjunct professor of mathematics get out of a rented car outside FCI Marion, having flown to Chicago from the nation's capital. They are too late to stop the release of the man convicted of ripping off the 'McDonald's Monopoly' lottery game. A numerate intern at the DoJ noticed late on the first 'release day' that the chance of every single large award in the fast food prize draw between 1995 and 2000 being won by one person's associates or family members, technically exceeded the new probabilistic standard for reasonable doubt. They are ten minutes too late, the fraudster having departed by Uber. For the first time in its history the FBI Most Wanted list consists of a single name, for nine days until his recapture at Canadian border. The email alerting prison staff to his upheld conviction had been sent to the email address of a recently retired prison officer, a fact cited in his retrial as evidence that "he's just a lucky guy, you know?"

Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's troubling when individuals do this, but I find it especially brutal that "double down and never admit guilt" is the go-to strategy for most nation states and corporations.

What is a "nation state"? edit: Wikipedia says there are around 20 nation states. I don't know why you're picking those out specifically though.

You mean the list "Nation states where a single ethnic group makes up more than 85% of the population"?

Most of the world is currently organised in nation states, but most of those are multi-ethnic. Ethnicity != nationality in this sense.

Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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Anyone who even remotely looked at the numbers and followed the situation can tell Dream cheated. The only people I see claiming otherwise are either infatuated with his cult of personality or otherwise just don't give a shit, "It's just a kids game who cares"? I care. I am heavily invested in speedrunning culture, but myself am mostly involved in the Halo community. I have a couple of world records of my own, and I…

Isn't this true of basically all tools developed for TAS? They are cheats by the normal definition.

It would be a shame to hold back on finding out what is possible in Halo because of cheaters, cheaters will find a way with or without your help. If people continue to care about these runs then someone eventually will develop a tool like yours and they may not care as much about people cheating.

I would suggest putting some effort into making your tools detectable somehow so that you can at least have a clear conscious about it but don't let the fact that people will always cheat stop you from providing useful tools.

Re: How Lucky Is Too Lucky in Minecraft?

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post #54
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Anyone who even remotely looked at the numbers and followed the situation can tell Dream cheated. The only people I see claiming otherwise are either infatuated with his cult of personality or otherwise just don't give a shit, "It's just a kids game who cares"? I care. I am heavily invested in speedrunning culture, but myself am mostly involved in the Halo community. I have a couple of world records of my own, and I…

Disclaimer: I am not part of the community (for example: I wouldn't even have known about the Dream scandal if it weren't for the video by Matt Parker), so feel free to take my opinion with a bucket of salt. It might be an idea to decide as a community that the time of completely unassisted speedrun leaderboards has passed, and shift the competitive element of your community to technological advancements in TAS tools…

Sorry if I did not explain it well, TAS does not mean just small helpful enhancements.

In a TAS, the game is being played by the computer using a series of pre-programmed inputs. The fun in TASing is creating the most optimized set of inputs that completes the game in the shortest amount of time. There are often precise one-frame tricks or inputs that would not be possible for a human to perform but can be done easily when you can fully control what happens on each individual frame of gameplay.

Mixing TAS and non-TAS runs doesn't make much sense as humans would never be able to compete.

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