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Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by vikarti »

usrnm wrote: post #49
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Knowing people in other countries is a tiny minority? Absolutely yes. Especially across two continents. Europeans who have friends from Europe would all be in Europe anyway. Europe is larger than US btw, it has two times the population. Russia+Turkey+Germany alone account for 95% of the population of the United States.

> Russia+Turkey+Germany I believe, in the context of this proposed ban "Europe" means "the EU", not geographical Europe. So both Russia and Turkey don't count.

Are you sure? What if they decided to copy this EU solution (adding they own 'interesting' ideas)? Russia arleady have data localization law, Facebook just ignores it and it's not enforced. What if it will become enforced? Facebook couldn't say this is something unusual because it will exactly thing EU required of them.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by vikarti »

des1nderlase wrote: post #56
ronsor wrote: post #52

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Facebook is a US company. Even if the data was stored only in Europe, they'd likely cave to demands anyway.

That's the point, not if EU said so. FB needs to comply to EU laws to operate in EU.

So USA's CLOUD Act doesn't apply if EU says so?

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by trasz »

evanelias wrote: post #136
trasz wrote: post #125

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So Facebook would have to redesign their sharding. Who cares? Also, let's not forget that we're talking about a service with absolutely horrible reliability. Facebook only cares about reliability at scale; at a single person level reliability is quite poor; you can suddenly discover that your random post has 60 thousand likes (for a few minutes), or a friend of yours has a new post (they don't). Thus, the questions o…

> So Facebook would have to redesign their sharding. Who cares? Do you believe Facebook is the only company that would ever be affected by this? Personally I strongly suspect that once the precedent is set -- that is, regulation requiring user data to remain strictly on servers in the user's country and nowhere else -- the entire tech industry would be severely impacted. > the questions of "what if something has >10m…

> Do you believe Facebook is the only company that would ever be affected by this?

Of course not, Facebook is not the only company parasitizing on users' privacy. The point still stands, though: it's an absolutely tiny (compared to the company's income) amount of work, versus users's rights.

As for delays - again, FB routinely displays much worse problems, adding some more delay there wouldn't be noticeable.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by birksherty »

MinorTom wrote: post #69
graphtrader wrote: post #3

Ahh poor Facebook. I feel so bad for them. Has to be tough not being able to steal people's data.

You do realize any potential Facebook alternative will face the same problems, further entrenching Facebooks market position. This even applies to federated social networks like matrix - a EU server can't easily send messages containing personal data to US ones without at least signing an contract with the required "standard contractual clauses" (technically an contract is always required).

Just stop tracking everything people do online and show ads based on content, none of these laws would have been necessary in the first place.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by NackerHughes »

wesnerm2 wrote: post #133
saddlerustle wrote: post #121

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The last published DPC audit found that it does [1]. There's really no reason to subject themselves to huge fines and lie about it, a very small fraction of facebook users delete anything. The "data dump" you're referring to was probably scraped from public facebook pages before you deleted the account. There has never to my knowledge been a case of private data becoming public that was exfiltrated from facebook prop…

I know of two instances: 1) Facebook had a "View as" bug that allowed anyone to view anyone else's private page as that person. 2) Cambridge Analytica in which Facebook shared private information with third-parties under an NDA.

As I recall, the 'View As' was a feature, allowing you to see your own profile and posts as would be seen by another person, so you could make sure your post privacy/visibility settings were set up the way you wanted. I used the feature quite often and was quite annoyed when they disappeared it one day. Do you have more info on this?

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

NackerHughes wrote: post #145
wesnerm2 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know of two instances: 1) Facebook had a "View as" bug that allowed anyone to view anyone else's private page as that person. 2) Cambridge Analytica in which Facebook shared private information with third-parties under an NDA.

As I recall, the 'View As' was a feature, allowing you to see your own profile and posts as would be seen by another person, so you could make sure your post privacy/visibility settings were set up the way you wanted. I used the feature quite often and was quite annoyed when they disappeared it one day. Do you have more info on this?

Here's some info on the View As bug posted by Facebook:

https://about.fb.com/news/2018/09/security-update/

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by [deleted] »

wesnerm2 wrote: post #133
saddlerustle wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last published DPC audit found that it does [1]. There's really no reason to subject themselves to huge fines and lie about it, a very small fraction of facebook users delete anything. The "data dump" you're referring to was probably scraped from public facebook pages before you deleted the account. There has never to my knowledge been a case of private data becoming public that was exfiltrated from facebook prop…

I know of two instances: 1) Facebook had a "View as" bug that allowed anyone to view anyone else's private page as that person. 2) Cambridge Analytica in which Facebook shared private information with third-parties under an NDA.

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Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by Isinlor »

teachingassist wrote: post #93
teachingassist wrote: post #14

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> We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? EU GDPR is pretty clear that all of the cases which involve transferring data from the EU to the US fall under EU GDPR rules. It refers to the location of the data, not the citizenship or residency status of the individuals who are involved. So, the photo that you took and uploaded within EU borders is theoretically in sc…

I'm not sure why I get downvoted for observing this - people don't like the truth?

Could you provide specific article that says so?

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by minusf »

jpttsn wrote: post #89
osmarks wrote: post #58

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They do not compete with each other (potential competitors just get bought out), and already do lobbying in vast quantities. And there's nothing about inter-country communication which requires Facebook's data mining, inasmuch as there are already network links between them which Facebook uses.

I’d view “buying competitors” as a sign of “competing”. Otherwise, in the Middle Ages, “European kingdoms don’t fight wars, they just conquer one another”

i can think of a couple of sad examples where buyout resulted in drop of quality or even dying off. it's often used to kill competition and not the other way.

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Post by thunkshift1 »

MinorTom wrote: post #69
graphtrader wrote: post #3

Ahh poor Facebook. I feel so bad for them. Has to be tough not being able to steal people's data.

You do realize any potential Facebook alternative will face the same problems, further entrenching Facebooks market position. This even applies to federated social networks like matrix - a EU server can't easily send messages containing personal data to US ones without at least signing an contract with the required "standard contractual clauses" (technically an contract is always required).

Its possible you will have eu only fb, Asia only fb which would not be such a bad thing. Not only would the new entities break monopoly, but also be more compliant than haughty American tech companies with their billions of daus
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