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Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by osmarks »

jpttsn wrote: post #89
osmarks wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do not compete with each other (potential competitors just get bought out), and already do lobbying in vast quantities. And there's nothing about inter-country communication which requires Facebook's data mining, inasmuch as there are already network links between them which Facebook uses.

I’d view “buying competitors” as a sign of “competing”. Otherwise, in the Middle Ages, “European kingdoms don’t fight wars, they just conquer one another”

Possibly, but it's not the sort of competition which leads to more choice and better outcomes for consumers.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by teachingassist »

teachingassist wrote: post #14
twobitshifter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

> We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? EU GDPR is pretty clear that all of the cases which involve transferring data from the EU to the US fall under EU GDPR rules. It refers to the location of the data, not the citizenship or residency status of the individuals who are involved. So, the photo that you took and uploaded within EU borders is theoretically in sc…

I'm not sure why I get downvoted for observing this - people don't like the truth?

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by 6510 »

endymi0n wrote: post #76
twobitshifter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

This is spot on and a big problem. And although nobody here including me would shed a tear about Facebook in this case, I am worried about the precedent this sets. Facebook has the deep pockets to either build this through or fight it legally to the bitter end. But for any startup trying to build a global X, this can put a serious blocker in the way. Global sharding of entities and working with that isn‘t for the fai…

Implementing it from scratch does seem less of a clusterfuck.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by lanstin »

rblion wrote: post #92

The WWW is still in it's adolescence. Facebook empire is the next AOL, Yahoo. Mark my words.

But Steve Case was not pushing to win 100% he was happy to be biggest player with competitors. So AOL was a lot less ruthless. Also our revenue model was “fun stuff for people to use so they pay a subscription” not “sell peoples intimate data to data brokers.” But definitely a lesson in how innovation can leave an organization. Informally, I blame the influx of MBAs and people attracted more to success than to building fun user experiences, but of course lobbying from phone and cable to block access to the higher speed plumbing which was allowed by law for POTS made the business model of subscribe for a good experience untenable.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by 6510 »

twobitshifter wrote: post #8
rich_sasha wrote: post #5

I can’t see why it would be devastating in practice. Why can’t the servers that deduce every little thing about the users be also based in EU? If I want a worldwide ad (is that even a thing?) for left-leaning horse owners between ages of 20-27.5 with a child and at least 2 partners, can’t that be dished out from an EU server for EU users?

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

You 4356324 have a friend 6434535.

Easier than CSS.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by iends »

Ignoring Facebook entirely, this impacts the US company I work for in a big way. We are in data centers throughout Europe and follow GDPR, best security practices, limit access to production data, etc.

Our company’s interpretation is that we will need EU based teams (that we will have to hire for) to help debug production issues and to help customers because if I look at the data to triage I’ve transferred it out of the EU.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by martin8412 »

mrighele wrote: post #74
twobitshifter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

An "easy" solution would be for FB to lobby for the USA to adopt privacy laws similar to those in Europe. Then maybe the data transfer ban could be lifted (somehow I suspect that will not be the case)

The US would have to agree that data on EU citizens is not theirs to snoop in. They would also have to trust that the US would actually honor that, and I think most will agree that the EU can't trust the US on that.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by yawaworht1978 »

The EU lawmakers are doing what the gutless paid for and owned US lawmakers cannot or will not do. The US congress balooneyd around with Zuckerberg, he took the piss out of them.

The EU politicians are a little bit less shameless and do something to protect the population(not even the local electorate, they have the ability to see beyond the box).

Facebook and Instagram are designed to keep people more "engaged"(addicted) , in order to collect more data and push ads down everyones throat and retarget those who do not want any business with them. Tried to delete FB, ig or WA account completely? Every imaginable Ui obstruction and retention trick will bother you on the way out.

The mother ship wants all the data intermingled to be more efficient. Hell no, team EU lawmakers all the way.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by tifadg1 »

MinorTom wrote: post #69
graphtrader wrote: post #3

Ahh poor Facebook. I feel so bad for them. Has to be tough not being able to steal people's data.

You do realize any potential Facebook alternative will face the same problems, further entrenching Facebooks market position. This even applies to federated social networks like matrix - a EU server can't easily send messages containing personal data to US ones without at least signing an contract with the required "standard contractual clauses" (technically an contract is always required).

is that really the case? - i.e. what if private citizens run the servers - i don't see why these rules would apply to them.
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