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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by amatecha »

phamilton wrote: post #286
beefbroccoli wrote: post #276

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If you want to remove a lot of unnecessary pain in your life, completely abandon the idea of mounting a host FS within a guest VM. Doubly so if they're different OS's/FS's and triply so if this a development VM.

Oh, I have. My setup is now Remote VS Code to a Linux NUC that sits on my desk. All code lives on the NUC and all tests run on the NUC, but I can use my MacBook Pro as I move around the house, work outside, etc. It's pretty seamless, I'm impressed.

Oh what… by "Remote VS Code" are you referring to this? https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview Seems very handy indeed!

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by hutrdvnj »

jorl17 wrote: post #211
kelnos wrote: post #163

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> I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. Been running Xfce since 2004 with no stability issues whatsoever. > Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as my Mac. Oof, I guess you never got a Mac during 2016-2020 or so. They've been gradually declining in build quality. I owned Mac laptops continually from 2005 until 2019, and…

These are all just anecdotes. From you, OP, and me... > Been running Xfce since 2004 with no stability issues whatsoever. I ran Linux (and was a _fierce_ OSS fanatic) from ~2002 to 2012. I've been a mac user since 2012. I moved around, using LXDE, Xfce, Gnome, KDE, no DE at all (openbox...)... I used Ubuntu, Mint, Gentoo, ADIOS, Crunchbang, Fedora... Linux DEs were solid, but they never felt sufficiently polished. Wh…

What has to happen so that you would try to make the switch to linux again?

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by laumars »

tokamak-teapot wrote: post #188
laumars wrote: post #162

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> I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. Dolphin on KDE hasn’t changed in 10 years and is far more functional than Finder. Frankly I think Finder is an appalling file manager so I’m surprised to hear anyone advocate it. > MacBooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as m…

I wouldn’t say I work with files a lot, but when I do, Finder seems to work ‘fine’. What do you find ‘appalling’ about it? If I’m missing the option to make my life much easier by using an alternative I’d like to at least try something else out.

You can’t input paths for starters. That means you can’t open dot files or navigate dot directories. Of which there are a great many in FOSS. The answer is to open up a terminal and run ‘open .blah’, which is just an appalling work around to a simple problem. Even Windows handles this use case better and that’s saying something.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by dmitriid »

happymellon wrote: post #280
dmitriid wrote: post #216

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I'm baffled how a developer ever assumes that whatever's on the keyboard is hardcoded and can never be changed. Yes, for some reason (tradition, history) Macs prefer typewriter layouts on their keyboards. But... have you ever even tried looking into System Preferences - Keyboard - Input Sources and changing the layout to "US (PC)"?

I have no idea why you would assume that I don't know how to change a keyboard layout. I have my keyboard set to UK ISO so the keys don't match what is printed. I don't understand why you don't see that a company that sells laptops with proprietary keyboard layouts is bad.

Ah yes, unlike every other company that ships opensource keyboards right?

As a person who has had laptops and keyboards with layouts in Russian, Turkish, Romanian and Swedish, and who uses US layout almost exclusively, I honestly have zero idea what your problem is.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by laumars »

Redoubts wrote: post #209
johnvaluk wrote: post #204

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You know those completely useless files (.DS_Store, ._foo.bar, etc.) that you see whenever you expand an archive or clone a repository from a developer who uses a Mac? Finder drops those turds.

Who cares?

Anyone who regularly works with FOSS. Which was the target demographic being discussed to begin with.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by hutrdvnj »

Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Isn't WSL2 at its core also just a better integrated linux virtual machine?

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by dmitriid »

cookiengineer wrote: post #277
dmitriid wrote: post #215

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That's the problem isn't it? Whichever problem you point at in Linux, the answer is invariably the same: "you're holding it wr^W^W^^W you're using the wrong distro, the wrong package manager, the wrong DE, the wrong version of any of those things". And, invariably, for any problem the one true combination is different.

Well, if you would report a bug for Office 2003, the maintainers at Microsoft would react the exact same way. That is if you persist on calling through the corporate structure until you actually are able to contact one. Either that or well, they'll simply ignore the noise of a user that doesnt give a damn about updating anything - so the user would not receive any potential patch anyways. If you decide on choosing a…

> If you decide on choosing a specific distro, you should know what you're choosing.

Indeed. And when that distro is MacOS suddenly HN is up in arms about how "not understanding why developers are chosing it".

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by xodice »

nathancahill wrote: post #182
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #77

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I don't feel that I have to fight the operating system at all. In order to get the package manager and a modern version of coreutils you have to run three commands: $ sudo xcode-select --install $ /bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/install.sh)" $ brew install coreutils The upside is getting a system where most of what I need works out of the box with fairly sensible def…

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, and I say this as a Mac fan, but your 3 commands are: - Install a whole IDE, so you can... - Install an unofficial package managar, so you can... - Install coreutils

'xcode-select --install' literally just installs the developer command line utilities, not an IDE.

Xcode, the IDE, is a separate download on the App Store.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

bscphil wrote: post #251
DCKing wrote: post #175

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> As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This kind of thing easily goes both ways, and shows you're considering things only from a narrow angle. Which is understandable by the way - but please do consider other views :) There are lots of "basic things" that Linux doesn't get done, depending on your definition of basic thing. It's entirely reasonable for developers to…

> "accurate and versatile trackpad movement" I think you should leave this one out, because it's at best subjective. I've had a much better experience with trackpads on Linux than I have had on any Mac I've used, thanks to the synaptics driver. Far more customizable as well. Additionally, until pretty recently you'd be stuck with the nasty hinge-based touch pad on Mac laptops which required quite a bit of force to pu…

> Additionally, until pretty recently you'd be stuck with the nasty hinge-based touch pad on Mac laptops

I don’t remember that being the case for at least half a decade, while my 2019 Thinkpad still has such an awful trackpad.

I would agree that trackpads are good enough on Linux, but not great like on a MacBook. Things like gesture support are unquestionably better on macOS.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by Toutouxc »

joombaga wrote: post #132
happymellon wrote: post #119

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> Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as my Mac. If you are American. In the UK, I find the keyboard layout bewildering. It is not ANSI and it isn't ISO. It's some other thing, with keys that don't exist in any other English speaking keyboard. They even hide # behind a special alt key combo. Other things about it are good, but there are some design decisions…

> They even hide # behind a special alt key combo. That's way worse than removing the escape key.

Funny. @#$~^&*{} are all alt (Option) combos on my Mac, my language has actual letters on those keys (ěščřžýáíé). Some devs I know switch to US layout for programming and some don't. I never do, I'm used to the alt combos and I don't like retraining my muscle memory.
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