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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by nikau »

honr wrote: post #237
ravenstine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

I use both. Here is my take on it: 1. Mac has shit for a window manager. When I focus and get in the flow, Mac's window manager becomes a massive showstopper for me. My productivity lives and dies by my window manager customizations and shortcuts. Mac's is just a joke when it comes to controling 20+ windows. I sometimes have 100+ editor, terminal, and browser windows. Linux has many window managers up to the task (i3…

I have a mac pro and a lenovo carbon, build quality is on par with the lenovo being way more serviceable.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by tomrod »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

> I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability

laughs in elinks as I read PDFs in fbi

Scoffing aside, MacOS has all kinds of crazy edge cases. Linux is pretty good considering free -- but it also actively encourages you to get to the command line. I view this as a net positive.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by Retr0spectrum »

riffic wrote: post #258
tkiolp4 wrote: post #230

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I don’t know about Lima, but Vagrant using Virtualbox won’t work on the new M1 macs (no plans of support).

eh, that's only a problem for those jumping into a brand new architecture without considering if anything's been ported into it yet.

ARM has been around for decades now (and ARMv8 for one decade). Anyway, if nobody jumps to new architectures, how will anything get ported?

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by d3nj4l »

honr wrote: post #237
ravenstine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

I use both. Here is my take on it: 1. Mac has shit for a window manager. When I focus and get in the flow, Mac's window manager becomes a massive showstopper for me. My productivity lives and dies by my window manager customizations and shortcuts. Mac's is just a joke when it comes to controling 20+ windows. I sometimes have 100+ editor, terminal, and browser windows. Linux has many window managers up to the task (i3…

> I sometimes have 100+ editor, terminal, and browser windows. Linux has many window managers up to the task (i3, xmonad, openbox, and countless more). Mac has the default one which you CAN'T change.

This is so much my issue. I love i3wm, it's been a revolution for how I work. I never really understood the "desktop" concept with overlapping windows very much, and i3 works at an abstraction that is very close to how I imagine my desktop. I keep stacks of windows open in an arrangement that might be bizarre to anyone except me, but when I look at it it's 90% how I want it to be, a place no other WM/DM has ever gotten.

But I also don't want to deal with linux any more. Please don't sealion me with "but linux works fine for me!" here, but using linux feels like death by a thousand frustrations. Most recently I had to alias pulseaudio -k to pk because pulseaudio got out of whack so often I got used to killing it. That, plus I can't live with Ctrl-based shortucts anymore: I get serious pinky and wrist fatigue from a full day's work on linux. I can't be bothered to work around an entire missing staircase, so I switched back to macOS, where even if the WM isn't as good I can live with it.

(Incidentally, have you heard of yabai[1] / amethyst[2]? They're tiling WMs for macOS. I've been thinking of trying both out for a while now but I can't spare the time.)

1: https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai/ 2: https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by toastal »

fnord77 wrote: post #233
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

for me, I travel a lot. Have you seen the size of workstation-class laptops? Just the powerbrick on the top-end lenovo is almost the size of a shoebox. And even the upgrade screens don't hold a candle to macbook screens. So I will put up with Macos interop quirks with docker and so on for the great screen and ease of carrying.

You're kidding right? There's a decent number of thin & light laptops with HiDPI and 100% DCI-P3 coverage screens offered by OEMs. Some offer 16:10 and 3:2 ratios too. The only downside is all of these high-end models will be Intel quad-core (even if Tiger Lake has been pretty good compared to previous Intel generations)

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by beefbroccoli »

phamilton wrote: post #2

Is IO still going to be horrible here? Docker on a linux VM, with all code on the linux VM, is significantly faster than Docker for Mac. Generally just because of IO.

If you want to remove a lot of unnecessary pain in your life, completely abandon the idea of mounting a host FS within a guest VM. Doubly so if they're different OS's/FS's and triply so if this a development VM.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by cookiengineer »

dmitriid wrote: post #215
cookiengineer wrote: post #198

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You're extrapolating from Debian's packaging concept to other distros, though your argument does not apply to most of the rolling distros out there. On a rolling distro (e.g. using pacman, or say yast2 and others for sake of argument) you typically ship the header files included with the libraries, so that you don't need multiple versions of the same library installed. On Debian/Ubuntu, however, it will always end up…

That's the problem isn't it? Whichever problem you point at in Linux, the answer is invariably the same: "you're holding it wr^W^W^^W you're using the wrong distro, the wrong package manager, the wrong DE, the wrong version of any of those things". And, invariably, for any problem the one true combination is different.

Well, if you would report a bug for Office 2003, the maintainers at Microsoft would react the exact same way. That is if you persist on calling through the corporate structure until you actually are able to contact one.

Either that or well, they'll simply ignore the noise of a user that doesnt give a damn about updating anything - so the user would not receive any potential patch anyways.

If you decide on choosing a specific distro, you should know what you're choosing. If what you are complaining is too much choice, then maybe MSDOS 1.x is the best operating system for you?

The beauty of Linux is customization. If you don't agree with that, then stay on MacOS. No harm done.

But if what you're complaining about is that you lack the skills to understand and investigate - without having paid anyone anything - then honestly, I think you are an ungrateful user that nobody should help out because it's a waste of (everybody's) _free_ time.

Be nice and maintainers will be nice, too. Be cooperative and they'll be cooperative as well.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by LordDragonfang »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #245
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #236

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In my experience, with the exception of the keyboard, MacBooks have always had pretty good build quality. I know every single person reading this is screaming THAT'S A PRETTY BIG HONKING EXCEPTION and, yes, absolutely, but the "new" keyboard that replaced the butterfly style one -- which is really not a new keyboard at all, but essentially the external keyboard they've been using for years at this point -- is solid.…

i9 macbooks had so poor thermal performance that system was grinding to a halt if you tried to do stuff like run tests on all more than few cores in parallel.

I'd be surprised if you could get genuinely good thermals on an i9 in a laptop. And that's partly on intel - i9s just have bad thermals, especially recently. Besides, if you genuinely need the power to justify using a chip with that kind of TDP, you should be looking into a desktop anyway.

It is worth noting that Apple may have been intentionally neglecting thermals pending the transition to ARM - LTT did a few videos that give evidence to this.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by LordDragonfang »

swiley wrote: post #255
dmitriid wrote: post #217

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SFTP. Novice users. Why would a novice user want SFTP built-in to their file manager?

To move files between machines they own?

Novice users use flash drives or emails, they don't set up ssh servers. In fact, I've never seen a non-power user set up an ssh server except maybe if you count a consumer NAS (which usually show up as networked drives).

To that point, I'd be willing to bet money that any user that even has access to an ssh server they'd want to use either has the technical know how to set up those tools themselves, or has an IT person who can do so for them.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by happymellon »

dmitriid wrote: post #216
happymellon wrote: post #142

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It's things like this that make me say that Macbooks aren't for developers rather than running Linux in a VM.

I'm baffled how a developer ever assumes that whatever's on the keyboard is hardcoded and can never be changed. Yes, for some reason (tradition, history) Macs prefer typewriter layouts on their keyboards. But... have you ever even tried looking into System Preferences - Keyboard - Input Sources and changing the layout to "US (PC)"?

I have no idea why you would assume that I don't know how to change a keyboard layout.

I have my keyboard set to UK ISO so the keys don't match what is printed. I don't understand why you don't see that a company that sells laptops with proprietary keyboard layouts is bad.

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