I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?
Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
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#92I would like to see the mathematical analysis that concludes it is unsafe for a vaccinated person to fly on an airplane without a mask while it is safe for a masked unvaccinated person.
The issue is that now there's no way to tell whether the unmasked person next to you is vaccinated and safe or unvaccinated and dangerous.
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This isn’t a carrot, its public health guidance based in risks and infection rates (including the induced risk of noncompliance by the unvaccinated triggered by loosening rules for the vaccinated.) > Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates? Yes, loosening controls does that. It also reduces the harms imposed by the controls. Vaccination and infection affect the cost/benefit analysis between thos…
The problem is also the social pressure that this will add on other people by the anti-mask who are going to say "Why are you wearing a mask ? Nobody is going to check anyway, just say you are vaccinated, pfff..."
States will begin rescinding their mask mandates soon, if they calculate their health care system can handle an outbreak among the remaining unvaccinated. Minnesota is rescinding their mask mandate once 70% of adults have had their first shot, or July 1.
Edit: MN mask mandate goes away tomorrow.
If you’re vaccinated along with a decent majority of people, why would you want to wear a mask? The vaccines have been overwhelmingly good so far at preventing hospitalization and death, they’re more effective than influenza vaccines.
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#94I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?
The dubious honor system that we relied upon for all the other vaccines?
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#95Is living the healthiest life you can live not the best option in every circumstance? It seems society as a whole wants a quick fix, no matter what the problem is or the consequences from a cure.
Definitely not.
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Ohio is holding five million-dollar lottery drawings for which only vaccinated people are eligible, and I expect other states to follow suit: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...
Hah, that's a cool idea
It's genius. US should do a federal one.
I liked the idea of paying people to get vaccinated [1], but since that encountered public opposition, this is the next best thing.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2021/01/13/955594105/should-the-governme...
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#97According to a large, controlled study in Wuhan [1], asymptomatic spreading is exceedingly rare. Zero cases in the study were identified. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
While I believe it - kinda hard to trust anything out of Wuhan at the moment.
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#98How is this not the top story on every single news aggregator in the world right now? This is like the BEST news since the vaccines were approved. This is a HUGE deal. Great job, CDC!
I’ve been wondering the same thing. This is massively good news, and I’m amazed it seems to be getting such short shrift. I went to Taco Bueno on the way home and didn’t wear a mask. Showed the teller the headline… then found out he couldn’t read. So yeah that wasn’t awesome. But this news is . First time I haven’t worn a mask in like a year.
>Short shrift
It's been on the front page of CNN, Fox, Washington Post, Wallstreet Journal, Bloomberg...
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#99I'm curious to how the math works... Basically they are willing to let covid explode among the unvaccinated which presumably won't impact those that can't get vaccinated (i.e. young kids I'm also gonna guess that the people who have gotten vaccinated basically have always worn masks and the unvaccinated never have unless forced. That explains my town.
The US population is around 30% fully vaccinated. Herd immunity requires about 90%* which we're never going to achieve because of vaccine resisters. Therefore COVID-19 is going to be endemic in the US for the rest of our lives. That means we'll see repeated temporal and geographic outbreaks forever, and people who are not vaccinated will continue to die. This is now our world. *90% is based on the high R-value of thi…
Covid has shown many people, including myself, how powerless the government really is in enforcing policies imo. This includes both presidential administrations. It has also showed that a lot of people that trust words of scientists do so in dogmatic ways that are unwilling to change their stance after the scientists do, like Fauci saying there is no point to wearing a mask when people get vaccinated.
This "pro-science" dogmatism has become a religion for people to the point that you cannot refute it. They hold the keys to some arbitrary insight and unwillingly compromise. It's almost like it has become a unorganized paganistic belief system in the name of science, but not even partaking in the basic fundamental steps of the scientific method by readdressing your hypothesis when brought about with new information.
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There are literally zero downsides to wearing a mask in public, and it's crazy that anyone would shame someone for it. In many Asian countries it is considered civilized and thoughtful to wear a mask when feeling ill to prevent the spread of disease. I too hope this becomes the norm in the US.
That is kind of like saying there is zero downsides to wearing a helmet or a bulletproof vest in public. It’s fine if you want to do it, but people not wanting to do it is also fine. The problem is both sides often have a degree of judgement that their way is better.
Andy Samberg has a hilarious song along these lines, called YOLO. [1] I’m surprised it hasn’t been referenced more during the pandemic, especially when multiple-masking has been discussed.
It is also a hilarious and catchy song in its own right.