How is this not the top story on every single news aggregator in the world right now?
This is like the BEST news since the vaccines were approved. This is a HUGE deal. Great job, CDC!
Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#72I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How do you tell quickly and easily if someone not wearing a mask is vaccinated or not? Where I am, there is an app I can use to display my vaccine records - and I believe they are working on an even more 'convenient' version that shows something similar to a red or…
Yup. A lot of the rules were made in this awkward middle ground between health organizations' recommendations, politics, and need to be enforceable (the later made worse because the ADA in the US makes it really hard to enforce anything since you can always just say "lol health issues!" and no one's allowed to check).
People have been constantly trying to "reason" behind certain rules. "Why do I have to X if Y is allowed, it makes no sense!" when most of the time it's purely so its possible to enforce something.
In this case as states adopt this recommendation, you can essentially assume any kind of mask rule is null and void and it's now just a suggestion, because it's now completely impossible to enforce anything.
Fortunately vaccines are readily available in the US now, and while not perfect for people who can't take it, their risk should be much, much lower (unless they're in Florida, in which case, I feel for them).
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#73I’ve been in the US throughout this pandemic, and I’ve had to take it extremely seriously because of vulnerable people I live with. I’m glad to be vaccinated and for my life (and my family’s) to be returning to normal. I expect that I’ll continue wearing a mask from time to time even years from now if it becomes socially acceptable, because I like both the anonymity, and the wonders it does for my seasonal allergies.…
There are literally zero downsides to wearing a mask in public, and it's crazy that anyone would shame someone for it. In many Asian countries it is considered civilized and thoughtful to wear a mask when feeling ill to prevent the spread of disease. I too hope this becomes the norm in the US.
That is kind of like saying there is zero downsides to wearing a helmet or a bulletproof vest in public. It’s fine if you want to do it, but people not wanting to do it is also fine. The problem is both sides often have a degree of judgement that their way is better.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#74I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How do you tell quickly and easily if someone not wearing a mask is vaccinated or not? Where I am, there is an app I can use to display my vaccine records - and I believe they are working on an even more 'convenient' version that shows something similar to a red or…
If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not?
I mean sure, there is a small chance someone could infect you, and a much much smaller chance that than infection actually causes you a hospitalisation, but it’s not a big risk once you are vaccinated yourself.
If you think the vaccine works, which I assume you do, then why do you need to know others vaccine status?
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#75I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How do you tell quickly and easily if someone not wearing a mask is vaccinated or not? Where I am, there is an app I can use to display my vaccine records - and I believe they are working on an even more 'convenient' version that shows something similar to a red or…
If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not? I mean sure, there is a small chance someone could infect you, and a much much smaller chance that than infection actually causes you a hospitalisation, but it’s not a big risk once you are vaccinated yourself. If you think the vaccine works, which I assume you do, then why do you need to know others vaccine status?
_I_ don't need to know it, but my friend who can't take the vaccine as she is pregnant might wish to use the information to make risk assessments.
Further: it is literally illegal not to wear a mask here in certain public areas - I'm specifically interested in how one would enforce that if you split between those who have to wear masks and those who now don't have to.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#76On the west coast now more than one third of the population is fully vaccinated (excluding BC that is severely lagging behind). How long until coastal and urban counties reach 95%?
They won't ever reach 95%; not gonna happen.
Berkeley 94707 zip code was already at 98% of eligible population with at least one shot on April 30th. [1] I would guess a number of cities will be overall in the 90% range pretty soon.
[1] https://abc7news.com/california-vaccination-rate-sf-vaccine-...
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#77Vaccines still aren't 100%. This is bad advice from the CDC. It will only lead to anti-masker/vaxxers using this as an excuse for not wearing a mask. Even the fully vaccinated should be wearing a mask around other people. 94%/97% is not 100%. edit: Japan is a good example for how masks have drastically reduced the number of infected due to mask culture. Japan has half the US population and still isn't vaccinating the…
No. The continual insistence by some - many in prominent leadership positions - that nothing changes after you get vaccinated is what was hurting confidence that the vaccine works. If it works, why would I have to act like it doesn't? People can make their own judgements about their personal risk, but I'm not waiting until some arbitrary effectivity point (99%? 99.9%? 99.99%?) to go back to normal. I'll be in the gym…
> If it works, why would I have to act like it doesn't?
This vaccine is -ridiculously- effective, which definitely changed things a bit (well, a lot). It looks like people who have it are pretty much immune, the chances of transmitting even if you DO get the virus is extremely low, etc. We're lucky.
It could have gone a very different way though. If we had a vaccine that's much less effective (eg: like the flu's), we'd have to rely on the power of statistics at scale to get rid of the pandemic. So yeah, that would have meant you'd have to get vaccine and still act like you haven't for a while until more people take it.
Thank things turned out better though, since its pretty obvious that people wouldn't have been able to comprehend that scenario.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#78I'm curious to how the math works... Basically they are willing to let covid explode among the unvaccinated which presumably won't impact those that can't get vaccinated (i.e. young kids I'm also gonna guess that the people who have gotten vaccinated basically have always worn masks and the unvaccinated never have unless forced. That explains my town.
The US population is around 30% fully vaccinated. Herd immunity requires about 90%* which we're never going to achieve because of vaccine resisters. Therefore COVID-19 is going to be endemic in the US for the rest of our lives. That means we'll see repeated temporal and geographic outbreaks forever, and people who are not vaccinated will continue to die. This is now our world.
*90% is based on the high R-value of this virus taken together with the known even-higher R-value of several of the variants. It's a realistic number, despite what some politicians would have you believe.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#79I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How do you tell quickly and easily if someone not wearing a mask is vaccinated or not? Where I am, there is an app I can use to display my vaccine records - and I believe they are working on an even more 'convenient' version that shows something similar to a red or…
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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#80I would like to see the mathematical analysis that concludes it is unsafe for a vaccinated person to fly on an airplane without a mask while it is safe for a masked unvaccinated person.