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I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How do you tell quickly and easily if someone not wearing a mask is vaccinated or not? Where I am, there is an app I can use to display my vaccine records - and I believe they are working on an even more 'convenient' version that shows something similar to a red or…
It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?
This isn’t a carrot, its public health guidance based in risks and infection rates (including the induced risk of noncompliance by the unvaccinated triggered by loosening rules for the vaccinated.) > Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates? Yes, loosening controls does that. It also reduces the harms imposed by the controls. Vaccination and infection affect the cost/benefit analysis between thos…
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No. This American fascination with “health” is very odd. My grandparents in Bangladesh lived as long as the average life expectancy in the US today, and they’re not even remarkable. Once you have antibiotics and make it past child mortality, you’re very close to hitting diminishing returns.
America has an enormous obesity problem which contributes to a significant number of Covid fatalities. When we tell Americans to get healthy it's mostly targeted towards those people.
I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How do you tell quickly and easily if someone not wearing a mask is vaccinated or not? Where I am, there is an app I can use to display my vaccine records - and I believe they are working on an even more 'convenient' version that shows something similar to a red or…
If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not? I mean sure, there is a small chance someone could infect you, and a much much smaller chance that than infection actually causes you a hospitalisation, but it’s not a big risk once you are vaccinated yourself. If you think the vaccine works, which I assume you do, then why do you need to know others vaccine status?
I care -- in that, I'd prefer for their sake and for everyone else's that they were vaccinated. The vaccine's not perfect.
However, for the purposes of wearing masks or not: I don't care. Let's take them off and hope that the unvaccinated make the right choice of keeping the mask on. I imagine that very nearly zero will, but in the baseline case I didn't know who wasn't vaccinated against yet-more-serious infectious diseases. So this will be returning to the level of nonzero risk that we were before.
We engage in risky activities all the time without blinking, let's please all treat this risk with the appropriate relative weight.
If you have energy to fight the good fight, become a positive role model for vaccination. Don't mock or ridicule the antivaxxers or vaccine-hesitant. Just show them the right path.
Is living the healthiest life you can live not the best option in every circumstance? It seems society as a whole wants a quick fix, no matter what the problem is or the consequences from a cure.
No. This American fascination with “health” is very odd. My grandparents in Bangladesh lived as long as the average life expectancy in the US today, and they’re not even remarkable. Once you have antibiotics and make it past child mortality, you’re very close to hitting diminishing returns.
That's the hard part in less developed countries. In 1960 Bangladesh had a child mortality rate of almost 30%. At that time the US was under 3%. Even today with antibiotics etc., Bangladesh is about 5x higher than the US.
I'm honestly not sure what you mean by America's fascination with health: I'm an American, so it of course would seem normal to me. But whatever we're doing, Bangladesh isn't a great comparison to cite as though they're on par with the US because life expectancy there is still about 6 years shorter.
It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?
According to a large, controlled study in Wuhan [1], asymptomatic spreading is exceedingly rare. Zero cases in the study were identified. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
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If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not? I mean sure, there is a small chance someone could infect you, and a much much smaller chance that than infection actually causes you a hospitalisation, but it’s not a big risk once you are vaccinated yourself. If you think the vaccine works, which I assume you do, then why do you need to know others vaccine status?
_I_ don't need to know it, but my friend who can't take the vaccine as she is pregnant might wish to use the information to make risk assessments. Further: it is literally illegal not to wear a mask here in certain public areas - I'm specifically interested in how one would enforce that if you split between those who have to wear masks and those who now don't have to.
Studies show kids are less likely to catch and spread it, and when they do catch it they have less averse impacts than adults, but I'd still prefer if my kids don't catch it.
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In the future skip to the part where that was retracted. https://people.com/health/vaccinated-people-do-not-appear-ca...
At least I was right about the CDC lacking credibility.
Science is the pursuit of knowledge and we can always conduct a new experiment that reveals inaccuracies or invalid conclusions from yesterday's experiment.
How is this not the top story on every single news aggregator in the world right now? This is like the BEST news since the vaccines were approved. This is a HUGE deal. Great job, CDC!
I went to Taco Bueno on the way home and didn’t wear a mask. Showed the teller the headline… then found out he couldn’t read.
So yeah that wasn’t awesome.
But this news is. First time I haven’t worn a mask in like a year.
