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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by wfhbata »

chrisco255 wrote: post #128
azinman2 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not require vaccination?

Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

It’s a terrible precedent to let people prolong a pandemic and endanger innocent people’s lives in the name of their personal liberties.

If you don’t want to take measures to protect others, you can sit home for a while. It won’t kill you, and it won’t kill the people around you.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by lnsru »

chrisco255 wrote: post #128
azinman2 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not require vaccination?

Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

Well, one can always stay at home and protect his/her body. People spent whole lives in one city during Soviet era, so travel can be seen as luxury.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by sharken »

gls2ro wrote: post #124
sharken wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

What should be the european way? I ask this as I understand your concern about politics forcing personal decisions, yet I am not finding a pragmatic workable solution to the current crisis.

Personal freedom should be the european way, like it is with the free movement of labor.

You can use UK to gauge how the Covid situation will become and i dont think anyone will say there is a crisis now. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by murkt »

sharken wrote: post #122
walterbell wrote: post #119

For those in the EU, the upcoming travel pass will cover three categories of people: vaccinated, PCR-tested negative, and recovered (i.e. positive antibody test of immunity), https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-your-questions-on-... > For travellers who have recovered from the virus: date of the positive test result, an issuer of the certificate, date of issuance, validity date The bureaucratic stumbling block…

Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

> The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated.

Good. It’s not like a concentration camp. There are other options if you don’t want to vaccinate.

You can just stay at home (I’ve been declined Schengen visa in the past for no reason), you can get PCR-tested. You also can get ill with Covid and then recover (hopefully).

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by symlinkk »

melling wrote: post #84
Exmoor wrote: post #66

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There's been plenty of unforced errors on the part of the government agencies. Claiming that masks don't help because they didn't want average citizens to buy them all up and still saying you shouldn't wear a K/N95 mask come to mind. Also, the horrific early failures with broken tests and bans on testing anyone who hadn't been in a specific area of China until it was far too late. Heck, the CDC just this week finally…

Beginning in early April 2020, everyone promoted the usage of masks. It’s unfortunate that we were worried about consumers buying all the medical masks but in March 2020, it was a legitimate concern

They’ve proven already that they’ll sacrifice the health of the masses for the greater good when they lied about masks. I don’t think it’s a stretch to consider that they may be doing the same with vaccines.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by sharken »

Jommi wrote: post #130
sharken wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

Yeah just like anyone should be able to travel or live in Asian countries without the proper vaccines. Jeez.

Are you talking about Covid vaccines ?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by zacharyvoase »

halfjoking wrote: post #97
mlboss wrote: post #94

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Yes. Around 30% people see improvement in symptoms after getting vaccine shot. https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid

And 15% get worse. Since I’m better, running 5 miles with 0 symptoms afterwards, why risk relapse?

So you don't have long covid then?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by symlinkk »

michaelmrose wrote: post #118
mssundaram wrote: post #59

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They did this themselves. Fauci, CDC and WHO constantly have gone back and forth between each other and themselves.

Do you have any other examples other than saying very early that people needn't mask up and then reversing on that point?

* “We don’t need to ban travelers from China, that’s absurd and xenophobic!”

* “2 weeks to slow the spread, then this will all be over”

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Cederfjard »

sharken wrote: post #122
walterbell wrote: post #119

For those in the EU, the upcoming travel pass will cover three categories of people: vaccinated, PCR-tested negative, and recovered (i.e. positive antibody test of immunity), https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-your-questions-on-... > For travellers who have recovered from the virus: date of the positive test result, an issuer of the certificate, date of issuance, validity date The bureaucratic stumbling block…

Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them.

> ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated.

Yup, that’s the point.

No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, especially if you decide to travel internationally). Those who don’t get vaccinated slow down our recovery from the pandemic, putting other people’s health and lives at risk. Society has to make these trade-offs, and this one seems very reasonable to me.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by randomopining »

mssundaram wrote: post #59
seoaeu wrote: post #36

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They've lost credibility because of a concerted effort to discredit them. An effort that was initiated specifically by people who didn't want to follow their broadly reasonable medical advice.

They did this themselves. Fauci, CDC and WHO constantly have gone back and forth between each other and themselves.

Rofl Fauci was on the money 95% of the time.

Trump was utterly wrong 95% of the time. His misinformation led people to die lol!

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