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California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

Fire season is more like hell on earth than paradise, unfortunately.

In retrospect, replacing fall with live-action Dante's Inferno was suboptimal.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

Fire season is more like hell on earth than paradise, unfortunately.

The primary reason we have a fire season at all is that we don't let people build housing in California's existing cities and towns, and so instead they sprawl out into fire-prone areas requiring long-distance power lines.

https://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/news/release/wui-interface-intermi...

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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So I assume it’s “people that can move” which means this 200k likely represents a whole lot more in tax base. Miami has really been exploding with ex-SV talent from my anecdotal social feeds. Might as well as you’ll save tens/hundreds of thousands each year in taxes and not have to live with the dysfunctional political system in much of CA.

I love someone from Florida calling California's political system dysfunctional.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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> Paradise on Earth and home to the nation’s fastest-growing industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming here from much less eco-friendly places. Are you in agreement with changing zoning laws to accommodate many more high rises e.g…

No need for highrises; just take all the places where 40' single-family houses are allowed, and allow 40' multifamily houses.

Why no need for highrises?

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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I can only comment on the Bay area which has plenty of land and lots of entrenched vested interests. Take a town like Atherton which is full of billionaires like Marc Andreesen who talk about how they want builders etc... But they are allergic when it is in their tony neighborhood of the zillionaires. The hypocrisy of the NIMBYs at full display: https://a16z.com/2020/04/18/its-time-to-build/ https://en.wikipedia.org/…

What is the evidence that Marc Andreessen is a NIMBY other than he lives close to his office?

Vote with your feet. At least send your property taxes to a town that allows for at least some multi-unit housing (Palo alto isn’t great but it’s better and right next door).

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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You're acting like when you prevent people from coming here, they vanish into thin air, rather than go live somewhere else that's worse for the planet. For instance, city families use far less water per capita than rural and suburban families, and they produce fewer "capitas". https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-residents-praised... And compare "water used in California to produce almonds exported to other cou…

The majority of water problems come not from a few entities consuming massive amounts of water. Why we allow growing almond trees in an arid climate is beyond me. After that, you have smaller but water intensive businesses. Being suburban doesn’t mean you waste water. I live in the suburbs and our water use is minimal. I use water saving shower heads, I turn off the water during most of the shower. In fact, the water…

There are always going to be outliers (people in cities who use a lot of water, and people outside who don't), but on average you will always find that city families tend to use less water than non-city families.

In other words, public policies that divert people away from cities tend to increase water consumption (and harm the environment by just about any other metric you can name.)

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Fire season is more like hell on earth than paradise, unfortunately.

The primary reason we have a fire season at all is that we don't let people build housing in California's existing cities and towns, and so instead they sprawl out into fire-prone areas requiring long-distance power lines. https://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/news/release/wui-interface-intermi...

Actually I think the real reason is that PG&E has ≈100 year old power lines with components that are well past their service life and regularly arc/fail causing fires. But there doesn't appear to be any accountability for their lack of maintenance.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/new-images-of-pge-...

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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As a resident of California, I would greatly prefer fewer people. Losing population isn’t necessarily something negative in my opinion.

Personally, I disagree, the people of California are probably one of the best parts of it, IMHO. If it's just the climate or the views, there are many other great places in the West coast that are cheaper and have the same natural amenities. But the people are irreplaceable, which is what make California so much more desirable than those other places that you aren't living.

However if there was a system for limiting access, then I think it should be a time based thing, where you get like 30 years but then have to leave. It's the only fair way to deal with an in-demand resources and would quickly get rid of the people that don't really care for it much but are still here just because it's what they know.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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No need for highrises; just take all the places where 40' single-family houses are allowed, and allow 40' multifamily houses.

Why no need for highrises?

Most of California, even the densest regions like the city of San Francisco, are covered in a sea of single-family houses. This is primarily because in the 1970's, all other kinds of housing were banned. See, for instance, the map at:

http://sfzoning.deapthoughts.com/

If we allowed four-story apartment buildings again like we used to, the state's population could easily double in size without even having to raise a single height limit anywhere.

(However, I should mention that I, for one, think six-story apartments are where it's at.)

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Housing prices are going through the roof pretty much all over the country/planet. That's what happens when it becomes an investment vehicle.

I thought that it was a good idea to sell my house and rent for a few years when it tripled in value.... we'll see in 1.5 years if that was a good choice.

Probably if you just sold like in the past few months, if it was a year ago or longer, probably not. And yes, I agree that will probably be seen as save in 1.5 years.
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