California population declines for first time in more than a century • Hacker News Board

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by raldi » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:04 AM UTC

eganist wrote: post #22

raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

> Paradise on Earth and home to the nation’s fastest-growing industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming here from much less eco-friendly places. Are you in agreement with changing zoning laws to accommodate many more high rises e.g…

No need for highrises; just take all the places where 40' single-family houses are allowed, and allow 40' multifamily houses.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by treeman79 » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:05 AM UTC

badRNG wrote: post #7

ffggvv wrote: post #4

or govt solution: keep raising taxes and letting violent criminals out and allowing third world quality of life

> and letting violent criminals out Of all the problems we face, insufficiently low incarceration rates aren't one of them.

Even been assaulted?

After a few times it gets old.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by throwitaway1235 » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:06 AM UTC

raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

California was a paradise in 1970. Today it's much closer to hell. In my opinion.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by raldi » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:07 AM UTC

rhacker wrote: post #30

raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

What about water? Garbage? Electricity? Fuel? Also what about the people that would inevitably arrive from your invitation that want to build plastic plants like in MO? Point is I think you're hand-waving all the bad because of what it is today.

You're acting like when you prevent people from coming here, they vanish into thin air, rather than go live somewhere else that's worse for the planet.

For instance, city families use far less water per capita than rural and suburban families, and they produce fewer "capitas".

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-residents-praised...

And compare "water used in California to produce almonds exported to other countries" versus "water used for all SF/LA homes and businesses" below:

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/LA-vs-Exports...

Similarly, when you take people from elsewhere in the country and move them to places like San Francisco, their consumption of fuel and electricity go down, as does their production of garbage.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by xiphias2 » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:10 AM UTC

Companies moving to hybrid remote/office working will allow much more people to work at companies in California without paying the house prices there.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by mmmBacon » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:10 AM UTC

As a resident of California, I would greatly prefer fewer people. Losing population isn’t necessarily something negative in my opinion.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:10 AM UTC

eganist wrote: post #22

raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

> Paradise on Earth and home to the nation’s fastest-growing industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming here from much less eco-friendly places. Are you in agreement with changing zoning laws to accommodate many more high rises e.g…

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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by Elof » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:10 AM UTC

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #33

raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

California was a paradise in 1970. Today it's much closer to hell. In my opinion.

Do you live in California?

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by prepend » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:10 AM UTC

wavefunction wrote: post #19

prepend wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems very unlikely that this census is corrupted. It’s also a census so the margin of error is not within a plausible margin of error.

The process was highly politicized and one party and the one in power while the census was administered stood to gain from sowing doubt, fear and confusion. I think the actual results gathering was handled normally but the idea of course was to depress census response rates.

Motive isn’t evidence. I haven’t seen any serious criticism of data collection methods. Just doubting results based on “stood to gain” is silly unless there’s actual evidence.

In what world would there be a conspiracy to reduce california population by 200k?

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by cma » Sat, May 08, 2021, 12:11 AM UTC

prepend wrote: post #10

kstrauser wrote: post #5

I'm not sure how much I believe that. It seems likely that this census was incredibly compromised compared to past censuses, and the 0.4% decline is well within what I'd consider a plausible margin of error.

It seems very unlikely that this census is corrupted. It’s also a census so the margin of error is not within a plausible margin of error.

There were lots of news stories of how it was changing wrt to people here illegally. The supreme court even stopped some of the challenge of it, right? The article doesn't break that part down at least from what I could search in it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/win-trump-sup...