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California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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I'm not sure how much I believe that. It seems likely that this census was incredibly compromised compared to past censuses, and the 0.4% decline is well within what I'd consider a plausible margin of error.

It seems very unlikely that this census is corrupted. It’s also a census so the margin of error is not within a plausible margin of error.

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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

> Paradise on Earth and home to the nation’s fastest-growing industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming here from much less eco-friendly places.

Are you in agreement with changing zoning laws to accommodate many more high rises e.g in norcal and around the bay? (I'm presuming your location from your bio. Correct me if I'm wrong)

(I live near DC. DC itself has a height restriction that dates back to the building of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cairo, and I quite wish DC's height restrictions would change at the very least in its residential areas, but people are NIMBYing the heck out of that too)

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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post #6

Finally some good news for CA natives. It sucks not being able to afford to live where you grew up. Maybe this will ease the housing market a bit?

I don't think we'll really see housing prices drop until the ocean rises up far enough to ruin our cities.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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I can only comment on the Bay area which has plenty of land and lots of entrenched vested interests. Take a town like Atherton which is full of billionaires like Marc Andreesen who talk about how they want builders etc... But they are allergic when it is in their tony neighborhood of the zillionaires.

The hypocrisy of the NIMBYs at full display:

https://a16z.com/2020/04/18/its-time-to-build/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherton,_California

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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I'm not sure how much I believe that. It seems likely that this census was incredibly compromised compared to past censuses, and the 0.4% decline is well within what I'd consider a plausible margin of error.

Are you talking about illegal immigration?

You don't even need to go there--many different populations are unlikely to return their forms. And the Post Office was having issues due to DeJoy and dorks.

The Census normally tries very hard to find people. They do this by sending out legions of people in person to people who may not have returned their Census forms.

The "in person" part of the census was heavily compromised this year due to Covid even before you start to add in the Republican fuckery.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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So I assume it’s “people that can move” which means this 200k likely represents a whole lot more in tax base. Miami has really been exploding with ex-SV talent from my anecdotal social feeds. Might as well as you’ll save tens/hundreds of thousands each year in taxes and not have to live with the dysfunctional political system in much of CA.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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post #6

Finally some good news for CA natives. It sucks not being able to afford to live where you grew up. Maybe this will ease the housing market a bit?

Housing prices are going through the roof pretty much all over the country/planet. That's what happens when it becomes an investment vehicle.

It's mostly from lack of building housing in the places that have jobs, which is what turned it into an investment vehicle rather than a savings vehicle.

And when there's lack of housing, the two choices are high prices and homelessness, or wait lists and homelessness. Neither are good, but the solution is really just more housing.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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post #22
post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

> Paradise on Earth and home to the nation’s fastest-growing industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming here from much less eco-friendly places. Are you in agreement with changing zoning laws to accommodate many more high rises e.g…

I’m in favor of higher density and I’d have no problem tying it to practical mass transit - thus encouraging developers to work to expand mass transit so they can redevelop land to higher density.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

What about water? Garbage? Electricity? Fuel?

Also what about the people that would inevitably arrive from your invitation that want to build plastic plants like in MO?

Point is I think you're hand-waving all the bad because of what it is today.

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