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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Can you fight hatred with hatred? Even if you end up killing those you hated, you'll still be worse off because the whole acting out against others was premised on others being responsible for the hatred you feel, which is false, the hatred is a projection of your own inner turmoil, so you'd still be hateful, and now you've sown the seed of hate yourself. Repeat until convinced. To use your example, it's like fightin…

Yes, this is probably a bad idea, on the other hand the "paradox of tolerance" is a thing. (Note that it should still apply to actions rather than ideas.)

“Paradox of tolerance” is only a thing that someone once argued that it existed and people misrepresented it in that cartoon that is usually what anybody thinks they know about the original utterance. Like in this thread it’s also usually uttered as some sort of axiom rather than an idea up for debate.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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I really think for something like a violent video archive to do as much good as possible, it needs to be entirely grant funded. Aside from the obviously problematic approach of monetizing violence, I don't think you can be too heavy-handed in protecting privacy with this sort of thing. Though I wonder how this might change with deepfake videos gaining momentum. I think the entire venture would be really expensive to…

Grant funded? So you'd have people paying taxes to their government so their government could publish graphic videos of their loved ones dying in awful ways? That's beyond adding insult to injury. If such videos must be published, I'd rather not be made to pay for it. Monetizing violence isn't great either, but at least I'm not forced by law to be involved in it myself.

Your response comes across as needlessly antagonistic.

My work is entirely grant funded and to my knowledge, none of it comes from the government— at least not directly. I'm positive that some of those private non-profits receive government assistance to some extent for operating expenses and whatnot, but the funds themselves are not tax-sourced.

Beyond that, governments fund libraries and archives at every level and they deliberately have all sorts of collections, from completely benign to completely odious. Funding a deliberately sensationalist aggregator and monger of violence would be plainly obnoxious, but appropriately managed archives are in the public's best interest. Probably even more so for controversial content. I'm not sure how this would be any different.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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The act is fully intentional. When you pick up a gun, aim it at someone, put your finger on the trigger, and pull, your intent is to kill. That's like one of the first things they tell you in any gun safety course. That intent may have been an overreaction. It may have been a mistake. It may have been based on an incorrect understanding of the situation. It may have even been justified. But regardless, the trooper di…

Indeed, and I didn't deny it. We all call for a more objective and neutral way to concisely describe the facts. In my opinion it implies to state any pertinent element. Here: the context, which always has a major influence on intentions/choices. My point is that a press title "In a chaotic situation a trooper shot and killed..." seems more appropriate to me. Do you agree?

> the active voice isn't much better because for many (most?) readers it conveys that the cop action was fully intentional

This looks like a denial to me. And no, I don't agree that softening a factual sentence with a single sided context is more appropriate. The entire point is to stop privileging the police's perspective as if their choices are completely circumstantial, as they have been abusing that trust.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Not from liveleak, but a couple of years ago I read an article about a guy that got stuck in a cave a few km from the entrance after falling head-first into a crevice, and eventually died because nobody could get him out. It gave me nightmares for weeks, and even to this day just thinking about it makes me shudder. It's almost PTSD, even though I only read a second-hand retelling.

Last year I was leaving my house to walk my dogs when my neighbors dog jumped their fence and attacked my dog. I had airpods in, so I didn't hear anything until my dog literally screamed. I was able to turn around and hold my dog steady until my neighbor hopped his fence and got his dog off. Overall it could have been much worse; I have friends that have much worse stories. My dog had a handful of puncture wounds tha…

Having experienced this far too many times (dogs jumping fences!) I now carry a few compressed air devices (“Pet Convincer” is a repurposed CO2 tire inflator that blasts air) to scare off-leash dogs away without hurting your dog accidentally via other less humane methods (pepper spray, tazer, etc).

Keep your dogs on a leash in public people!

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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> you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives The way you phrase this makes it sound like you think people intentionally create these videos where people die just to post it to LiveLeak for people to be entertained by. A lot of it was stuff that was going to happen anyway that happened to be caught on film.

The things happening on LiveLeak would happen anyway but the videotaping wouldn’t happen without an audience.

> the videotaping wouldn’t happen without an audience.

Utter bullshit and you know it. It didn't have an audience until it was uploaded. By that point it was already recorded. People have always recorded events throughout history for as long as they were able to be recorded.

Was the Hindenburg disaster recorded in the hopes that something awful would happen so it could 'have an audience'?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Source or example? I have difficulty in believing anyone in their right mind would victim blame someone sitting on a bench for not getting out of the way of a car. This reeks of urban legend or motivated anti-motorist propoganda. The motor vehicle would have to have completely departed from the designated motorway and would as a result be completely at fault. Failure to respond to signal is also the motorist's fault,…

It's been quite a while since I read the article blaming people for sitting on the bench. Here is a kind of similar style article I came across that tries to blame people on a sidewalk for getting hurt: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/07/04/toronto_car_cras... Notice how half of the article is dedicated towards blaming people for entering crosswalks when they have right of way, just because a signal is changing…

Oof. Okay. I agree that particular article could have been arranged better. For the curious.

Money shot:

>Two vehicles smashed into each other and then into a group of people and a lamp post at the intersection at about 1:20 p.m.

>According to police, both vehicles were travelling west on Lake Shore Blvd. W. when one vehicle turned left across the path of the other to proceed south on Bay St.

So the actual injuries to pedestrians were an example of collateral damage from people screwing up while behind the wheel.

The author does embark on a secondary train of thought, highlighting a bit of trivia that people may not know abouut the local traffic regulations:

>How pedestrians interpret the newer countdown-type pedestrian signals is becoming a major concern for police, said Const. Hugh Smith of traffic services. Many don’t really understand what the timer means.

>Apparently their handbook states that once the countdown starts, they assume no new pedestrians should enter the crosswalk, thereby allowing vehicles to execute turns once the initial group clears.

I didn't personally read it as blaming the pedestrians for getting hurt, as it seemed like a more Public Service Announcement sort of thing tacked on the end, but I do agree that that could have been transitioned to or arranged better.

I've just been around placeswith some fairly militant anti-motoring sentiment (like do away with all motorways type), so I assure you it is a thing. I think Britain was having some troubles with it in London, and it's growing in popularity around some urban centers in the U.S.

It tends to go hand-in-hand with zoning (which is a nightmare in and of itself), and has a great deal of impact on your ability to freely get places in the U.S., which is why I always try to be sensitive to trying to counterweight the "change it now" crowd to "incremental implementation".

I don't mind public transit, but I'm very againnst throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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The things happening on LiveLeak would happen anyway but the videotaping wouldn’t happen without an audience.

> the videotaping wouldn’t happen without an audience. Utter bullshit and you know it. It didn't have an audience until it was uploaded. By that point it was already recorded. People have always recorded events throughout history for as long as they were able to be recorded. Was the Hindenburg disaster recorded in the hopes that something awful would happen so it could 'have an audience'?

LOL, this is some kind of Poe’s Law thing. Anyhoo the reason that these cartel tortures are filmed is to send to the family and associates of the victim and others who would think of working against the cartel. The purpose is to scare the fuck out of anyone trying to disrupt or compete with the cartel. The audience is the only reason it is filmed. Before phones they would just leave the flayed head in the town square or similar.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Indeed, and I didn't deny it. We all call for a more objective and neutral way to concisely describe the facts. In my opinion it implies to state any pertinent element. Here: the context, which always has a major influence on intentions/choices. My point is that a press title "In a chaotic situation a trooper shot and killed..." seems more appropriate to me. Do you agree?

> the active voice isn't much better because for many (most?) readers it conveys that the cop action was fully intentional This looks like a denial to me. And no, I don't agree that softening a factual sentence with a single sided context is more appropriate. The entire point is to stop privileging the police's perspective as if their choices are completely circumstantial, as they have been abusing that trust.

"THEY have been abusing that trust" seems weird to me. In my opinion SOME (not "they", meaning "all") policemen have been abusing that trust, and it makes a world of difference.

Is stating that the situation was "chaotic" privileging police's perspective (which is sourced: "Col. Woodrow Jones, the state police secretary").

Dismissing every police statement because some of them were lies may be dangerous if it leads to even more "esprit de corps" (the very cause of many of such lies) among cops, or to less good guys in the police force (they usually don't want to join a despised group).

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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> despite narrower roads and overwhelmingly manual transmissions. You say this like you'd expect manual transmissions to increase the accident rates? If anything I'd suspect the opposite - much harder to be distracted on your phone, eating food, etc when you need both hands to be able to drive. It also keeps your mind more engaged if you're shifting gears all the time (obviously doesn't apply to highway driving where…

> You say this like you'd expect manual transmissions to increase the accident rates? I agree with you! But manual transmissions don't necessarily work as you'd assume - my brother at 18 could text or have a soda and shift at the same time. Similarly, we can end up at our destinations without remembering exactly all the steps - it's become automatic. That said, most people feel there's less need for following distanc…

> That said, most people feel there's less need for following distance when it's an automatic - that's what I consider a bad and dangerous habit.

That's an interesting way to phrase it so I'm curious what you mean. I have long thought that it would be nice if more people drove manual because then they would try and regulate their speed a bit more to minimize shifts, eg in stop and go traffic I'd prefer going 3 miles/hour for 20 seconds than 10 miles/hour but fully stopping every 2 car lengths, or when you see a red light ahead, most people stay their current speed and then stop quickly rather than slowing in order for it to change to green before they have to fully stop.

Is that the concept you're getting at with the following distance thing (since longer following distance gives more room to keep a consistent speed) or are you getting at something else?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Isn’t it actually an issue that soldiers are so bored in completely remote places for months and months? People engaging in the army to get some hot action sure would have liked to know more about that aspect, and for better or worse the general public’s perception would also be different when accurately imagining x thousands of trained people stuck in the desert doing nothing 99% of the time.

“War is long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror.”

Hah, yeah, that was kind of the quote I had in mind when writing my original comment.
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