LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Chris2048 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:05 PM UTC

barrkel wrote: post #319

Der_Einzige wrote: post #222

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Sorry man, but every bit of that book (and everything else jean baudrillard wrote) is fashionable nonsense. Hyperreality is a bankrupt useless concept and has no basis in reality. Baudrillard tries to sound profound but really just sounds like a post modernist schizo like the rest of his contemporaries

Unfortunately, you're not right. The world is moving into text. What matters is the effects words have, not their truth. Brexit and Trump are significant evidence of this, but there's a lot more. Today, online bullying is probably a bigger problem for teenagers than offline, and that's because they live more of their lives online. They are literally moving into the simulation, a place constructed out of allusion and…

> Brexit and Trump are significant evidence of this

Brexit is the new heresy apparently. What if I told you the EU was the "false words"? The representation of Brexit as racist was certainly an emotive argument.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dmos62 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:07 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #556

dmos62 wrote: post #475

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I'm of the opinion that ignorance and closed-mindedness is the problem, not what ignorant and closed-minded people come up with. Can't fight fire with fire. That's why I don't think that we should identify them with their ideas. For the purposes of society, their discussions on that site are (supposedly) destructive. That's all the information we need to have a wholesome debate. To withdraw to identifying people with…

> Can't fight fire with fire That aphorism has never really been true. If it's "fire" in the sense of projectile weapons, then of course you can. If it's "fire" in the sense of "forest fire," a controlled or prescribed burn is an oft-used technique to cut off a forest fire by creating an unburnable zone around it... The fire can't find fuel in an already-burned area, so it can no longer feed itself and dies out.

Can you fight hatred with hatred? Even if you end up killing those you hated, you'll still be worse off because the whole acting out against others was premised on others being responsible for the hatred you feel, which is false, the hatred is a projection of your own inner turmoil, so you'd still be hateful, and now you've sown the seed of hate yourself. Repeat until convinced. To use your example, it's like fighting fire by putting your hair on fire. It kind of helps, but only in a very perverted sense.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by themaninthedark » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:09 PM UTC

moralestapia wrote: post #163

acituan wrote: post #144

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> People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you. You wouldn't know if you were talking to such a person right now without making a circular argument such that "a person without privilege cannot think the world is an OK place and since they think that they must be a person of privilege". Existence of depression and anxiety across all socioeconomic strata proves that logic w…

>Existence of depression and anxiety across all socioeconomic strata proves that logic wrong. Further supporting the argument that the world is not "mostly an OK place".

Depression and anxiety are completely internal reactions, how oneself responds to the world. It does not matter if the world is good or not if your reaction is broken.

"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization." - Agent Smith

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by kmeisthax » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:09 PM UTC

jm__87 wrote: post #478

lmm wrote: post #333

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The vast majority of car "accidents" (more properly collisions) are the predictable result of policy choices.

What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

Increase the testing requirements for new drivers to make it harder to get a license, for starters. Or make it easier to suspend people's licenses for acts of unsafe driving.

America has extremely low requirements to get licensed as a driver; this is intentional. We wanted everyone out of public transit and into cars. In other countries it's far more difficult to get licensed to drive, you're expected to have more skills. Hell, most drivers in Europe drive stick because you're required to test on a manual transmission.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dannyphantom » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:16 PM UTC

chefandy wrote: post #451

nickysielicki wrote: post #17

The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

It's powerful, important content, but collecting and promoting it as shock entertainment, entirely out of context, doesn't strike me as the right way to do it. Our media's lack of willingness to portray the human cost of our overseas exploits is clearly a huge problem, but I don't think this really addressed it. It's all impact without usable information. While incredibly violent things do happen in the world regular…

How does one maintain a website that hosts graphic content while overcoming the significant challenges of doing so?

Immediate thoughts being keeping the site apolitical, unbiased, moderation, suppression of content, and the list goes on and on from there.

Did anyone hear about the lawsuit filed against borderland beat allegedly filed by a cartel founder? https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2020/nov/09/ticker-borde...

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/ somewhat serves as proof of concept for the risks in hosting unpalatable content. Threats of lawsuits, reporter risks, and even downstream effects of these articles inspiring American vigilantism at the border.

It's never been a great idea to have an entire nation living in a bubble of ignorance - yet - the challenge of popping that bubble while remaining unbiased has yet to be overcome imo.

edit: at the risk of sounding silly; from nowhere else but the Watchmen: 'who watches the watchmen?'

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by T3RMINATED » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:17 PM UTC

During the time we need leaks more than ever, they shutdown what?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by leetrout » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:19 PM UTC

Sebb767 wrote: post #93

nostromo wrote: post #27

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War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…

Especially fire safety seems like something people don't realize. Sure, the rules can seem overly strict and sometimes even nonsensical on the first glance, but it's insane how fast the situation can go from "smale flame" to "house on fire". Seeing the worst case play out is really eye-opening.

Test your smoke detectors and change your batteries. Change the entire unit after 10 years.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by junon » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:20 PM UTC

chefandy wrote: post #482

junon wrote: post #463

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WatchPeopleDie was supposed to do this. I wish the mods had been better about the garbage comments, but even then I think the reddit admins were hell-bent on shutting down any subs they didn't personally like. But I agree fullheartedly. Seeing such things really made me 'feel' how precious life is and how terrible the world can be. It helped me navigate moving to Europe a few times, even.

Ugh. Having the ability to comment really does add an entirely new dimension to a service, but a culture of bad comments can be so disheartening, and it seems like a tough cancer to treat.

Yep. The comments consisted of both extremes: analytical, reflective or informative responses, paired with "haha he got OWNED!" type of comments.

The latter made me really wonder if those commenters had ever experienced loss or hardship in their lives.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by natmaka » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:22 PM UTC

SamBam wrote: post #550

reportingsjr wrote: post #543

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It's amazing the narrative that is spun around cars and the deaths they cause. Take a closer look at the "accident" reports you see in newspapers. It's disgusting how many times reports of people and children getting hit on sidewalks, sitting on benches, etc is spun as their fault for not getting out of the way of the person driving the car!! There's been a bit of a grassroots push to get journalists to stop calling…

While we're at it, let's see if we can fix "officer-related shooting" too. The most recent one I saw: "A trooper-involved fatal shooting in Leonardtown that ended in the death of a 16-year-old." Both the "trooper-related" and the "ended in" passive voice to avoid saying "a trooper shot and killed a child."

"Children getting hit on sidewalks, sitting on benches" don't threaten anyone, and nobody calls any car driver upon them. The car driver is clearly the culprit, source of the danger.

At least in some cases (more often than not, as far as I know) a police officer is called by someone who noticed a dangerous/chaotic situation, and the officer isn't the cause of it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/peyton-ham-maryland-tr...

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by haswell » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:24 PM UTC

moralestapia wrote: post #80

acituan wrote: post #60

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> The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place, with also violence in it. Our cognition is heavily biased towards saliencing and preserving the scary bits, and being exposed to a planet scale showcase of those bits does not necessarily make us wiser (e.g. better decision makers). At least for me personally it took a dec…

>Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place It isn't, you are lucky to be in a privileged environment. And I don't even mean warzones. People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you.

The book "Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World - and Why Things Are Better Than You Think" [0] brings a different perspective to this conversation. I strongly encourage folks to read it, but if I had to summarize the point that feels relevant here, it'd go something like this.

Relative to the whole of human history, the time we're living in right now is by far the most neutral, even OK, (in some cases, even good) things have ever been.

You are correct that the divide between privileged/lucky and not is still wide. But arguably this is more about the uneven distribution of progress, and ignores the fact that poverty has significantly gone down, deaths from disease are significantly lower now than even 10-20 years ago, and so on.

This does not minimize or invalidate the fact that many do live in dangerous or "not OK" environments, but it's worth looking at the broader historical context to help contextualize that.

Yes, more change must happen. There is much progress to be made. But much progress has been made, and that should be acknowledged.

- [0] https://www.amazon.com/Factfulness-Reasons-World-Things-Bett...