LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by throwaway8581 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 6:37 PM UTC

young_unixer wrote: post #635

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by human biodiversity. As for the others on your list, non-alt-right people (cf. non-alt-right sites) might be more inclined to discuss (cf. host discussions about) these "facts" if their primary use wasn't to be woven into otherwise fictional narratives claiming to be coherent justifications of racism and homophobia.

> these "facts" if their primary use wasn't to be woven into otherwise fictional narratives claiming to be coherent justifications of racism and homophobia. So, the same thing mainstream society has been doing for the last 6 years, just for different races and groups? If they criticized things like Outreachy (which literally discriminates people based on race and gender [1]) with the same energy that they criticize t…

Those are alt-right facts is just a defense mechanism for people to avoid confronting the contradictions in their own belief system. None of this is driven by reason, at least not the logic of the truth of the matters allegedly being examined. It's all about the logic of identity and social status. It is high status to believe in magical equality. It is low status to acknowledge human biodiversity. The idea of settling important questions through mass society, mass media, mass democracy is more laughable every day.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ssully » Thu, May 06, 2021, 6:38 PM UTC

frosted-flakes wrote: post #586

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Watching an American beheading by either drug cartels or some random Middle East country properly fucked my head up at the ripe age of 12 or 13. I too experienced the phenomenon of feeling the media was downplaying the extent of the sheer and utter devastation that comes with war and invading countries. That video shook me good and still haunts me to this day… It made me aware of the atrocities of life and wanting to…

Not from liveleak, but a couple of years ago I read an article about a guy that got stuck in a cave a few km from the entrance after falling head-first into a crevice, and eventually died because nobody could get him out. It gave me nightmares for weeks, and even to this day just thinking about it makes me shudder. It's almost PTSD, even though I only read a second-hand retelling.

Last year I was leaving my house to walk my dogs when my neighbors dog jumped their fence and attacked my dog. I had airpods in, so I didn't hear anything until my dog literally screamed. I was able to turn around and hold my dog steady until my neighbor hopped his fence and got his dog off.

Overall it could have been much worse; I have friends that have much worse stories. My dog had a handful of puncture wounds that healed up, and he is fine now. I am pretty sure I had PTSD or something close to it; mainly it's waking from nightmares of the scenario, and thinking of my dogs scream still makes me shudder/feel sick. I also now walk outside and check my yard before letting the dogs out and stay out there with them the entire time. My neighbor is working on getting a fence now that the spring is here, but even then I don't know if I will leave the dogs out alone. It was a minor encounter with violence, but it was enough to shake me up and change some habits.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by 29083011397778 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

eredengrin wrote: post #628

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Your tone suggests you can't imagine any, which is... surprising. There are a vast array of things you can do to make driving safer, at the cost of making it less accessible and/or more expensive. Different countries already set their threshold differently - in the US, a driving test takes 20 minutes and everyone passes, while in the UK it takes 40 minutes and most people fail the first time. And lo and behold, 4 tim…

> despite narrower roads and overwhelmingly manual transmissions. You say this like you'd expect manual transmissions to increase the accident rates? If anything I'd suspect the opposite - much harder to be distracted on your phone, eating food, etc when you need both hands to be able to drive. It also keeps your mind more engaged if you're shifting gears all the time (obviously doesn't apply to highway driving where…

> You say this like you'd expect manual transmissions to increase the accident rates?

I agree with you! But manual transmissions don't necessarily work as you'd assume - my brother at 18 could text or have a soda and shift at the same time. Similarly, we can end up at our destinations without remembering exactly all the steps - it's become automatic.

That said, most people feel there's less need for following distance when it's an automatic - that's what I consider a bad and dangerous habit.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by quenix » Thu, May 06, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

ezconnect wrote: post #307

Matticus_Rex wrote: post #107

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Compared to what? There are very few places in the world with the kind of violence that has been commonplace for most of world history. Yes, violent things happen everywhere, but most people in most places don't have to worry for their physical safety most of the time. That's a relatively new phenomenon.

You need to go explore the world some more if that is your point of view.

That's super vague. Do you have any particular examples in mind?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by weswpg » Thu, May 06, 2021, 7:43 PM UTC

daveoc64 wrote: post #315

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> No, the 1-2 punch of Reddit and Discord have all but decimated the old vBulletin forum days. If you have a niche interest, Reddit and Discord are pretty much the only place to find a community for it. It's very dominant in that space now. You missed the point. Reddit redesign is ensuring everybody flocks back to a more readable form of social media that does not look like reddit redesign.

I was reading yesterday about how "Old Reddit" is often used by a tiny proportion of users (~5%) and the vast majority of users are using a mobile app to access it. This varies by subreddit, of course, but anything with mainstream appeal is likely to have most users on mobile web or an app.

I wonder which percentage of the most active users are among those who choose to do that (versus the casual users who only spend less than five minutes on the website).

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Giorgi » Thu, May 06, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

I am going to assume it was monetization issues. It is always monetization issues.

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Post by junon » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

freshair wrote: post #622

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I really think for something like a violent video archive to do as much good as possible, it needs to be entirely grant funded. Aside from the obviously problematic approach of monetizing violence, I don't think you can be too heavy-handed in protecting privacy with this sort of thing. Though I wonder how this might change with deepfake videos gaining momentum. I think the entire venture would be really expensive to…

Grant funded? So you'd have people paying taxes to their government so their government could publish graphic videos of their loved ones dying in awful ways? That's beyond adding insult to injury. If such videos must be published, I'd rather not be made to pay for it. Monetizing violence isn't great either, but at least I'm not forced by law to be involved in it myself.

Uh... not sure where you live, but not all grants come from taxpayer dollars. Grants can come from companies or academic institutions, etc.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by mindslight » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:22 PM UTC

natmaka wrote: post #598

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Thank you for linking to the article showing that they improved the headline (possibly as a result of people pointing it out) to the significantly-better "A state trooper shot and killed.." Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have changed it, because the kid was at fault? "A trooper-involved fatal shooting in Leonardtown that ended in the death of a 16-year-old" could mean anything. It could mean that someone shot…

> Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have changed it, because the kid was at fault? No. "A trooper-involved fatal shooting..." is indeed blurry, and in my opinion the active voice isn't much better because for many (most?) readers it conveys that the cop action was fully intentional, however in such a context things are much more complicated than that. It doesn't assign fault, indeed, but a more adequate title ma…

The act is fully intentional. When you pick up a gun, aim it at someone, put your finger on the trigger, and pull, your intent is to kill. That's like one of the first things they tell you in any gun safety course.

That intent may have been an overreaction. It may have been a mistake. It may have been based on an incorrect understanding of the situation. It may have even been justified. But regardless, the trooper did intend to kill.

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Post by tonyp2121 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:25 PM UTC

argvargc wrote: post #639

tonyp2121 wrote: post #559

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Opinions based on bigotry or reducing rights or "legalness" of a person based off of who they love, what skin color they have, what gender they have are all invalid opinions. I should not have to debate a bigot and act like their views are worth debating.

You seem as intolerant as the people you deride for their intolerance.

I urge you to look at the paradox of tolerance. Tolerating intolerance breeds intolerance. If I am intolerant of intolerant people then that is good. Bigots do not deserve to be tolerated, do not deserve to have their opinion debated, do not deserve to be taken seriously and do deserve backlash for being a bigot.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by tonyp2121 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

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Opinions based on bigotry or reducing rights or "legalness" of a person based off of who they love, what skin color they have, what gender they have are all invalid opinions. I should not have to debate a bigot and act like their views are worth debating.

> they have are all invalid opinions Exemplifying my point. Opinions cannot be "invalid", just like a persons taste cannot be invalid. You don't have to debate, just don't engage and problem solved. Others are interested in discussions even around subjects they don't agree on, let us continue being able to use the internet for those discussions.

Explain to me how thinking someone is lesser based off of who they love, what skin color they have, what gender they were born with or identify as is a valid opinion. Treating human beings as lesser for being themselves is an invalid opinion and not something worth debating the merits of.

You seem to be thinking that tolerating bigotry is acceptable because the bigot who wants to infringe on other human beings basic rights is a valid opinion. It is not. Please read on the paradox of tolerance, because tolerating intolerance breeds intolerance and allows intolerance to take over from the tolerant.

Bigots do not deserve fair debate. Any opinion that is based off of infringing on others rights based off sex, gender, or skin color is invalid.