Am I understanding right that this shutdown happened overnight with no warning? I didn't have any investment in LiveLeak one way or another, but this gushing about how much the community meant to the team rings a little hollow when I imagine there are users angry they didn't have any time to prepare for it.
LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online
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LiveLeak definitely had the ability to change you. There was a video from a dashcam where a couple is driving down a road, and a brick or rock falls off a truck driving the opposite way. It bounces on the road before slamming through the windshield and instantly killing the wife sitting in the passenger seat. Whenever I feel like a member of my family has gotten on my last nerve, pushed me to my limit, I think of the…
Be careful with that stuff. There are only so many scars you can accumulate before it really affects you. Life will give you scars all by itself eventually, no need to seek them out.
This generation has experienced an unprecedented amount of isolation from danger and I think we are far closer to a state where we need to be more exposed to the lessons those dangers teach than we are to being over-exposed
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War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…
Watching an American beheading by either drug cartels or some random Middle East country properly fucked my head up at the ripe age of 12 or 13. I too experienced the phenomenon of feeling the media was downplaying the extent of the sheer and utter devastation that comes with war and invading countries. That video shook me good and still haunts me to this day… It made me aware of the atrocities of life and wanting to…
Not quite as rough as you had it, but growing up with parents in the medical field, they could and would easily recount all the nasty injuries and deaths they had seen in accidents (or homicides).
Suffice to say I am firmly in favor of wearing safety equipment even for "simple" jobs, and trying to avoid pissing people off.
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Just a nitpick; there is no alt-left: leftism has deep historical roots in the French Revolution that predate liberalism (which is by definition a centrist ideology). The left is the left, the right wing just calls centrist liberals leftist.
Just to nitpick some more. Alt-Right is a new term, a neologism. In current research it’s seen as a conflated term. This is due to it not actually being an “alternative ideology” since it matches to already existing ideologies. It’s a set of ideologies that are under Far-Right politics on the Left-Right political spectrum. [1] While there is literally not an “Alt-Left” there are 100% Far-Left ideologies that a a hypo…
The American left is absolutely centrist at best. The real “left” legitimately believes in socialism / communism at some scale. If actual socialism isn’t part of your policy position, I struggle to say you’re on the left.
Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online
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> Now if someone asks me "Hey where can I go see that thing that was taken off of Youtube" I don't have a ready answer that isn't an alt-right cesspool. Does this mean that only the alt-right have access to uncensored information?
If you read some alt right content (like 4chan /pol/), you might agree that some opinions deserve to be censored. Hate and stupidity breed more hate and stupidity. If we approach this situation from a generic perspective we can defend free speech and argue against censorship; but if we talk about speech such as antisemitism, homophobia or black people hate, we cannot defend it anymore.
The way that an opinion is expressed matters a lot :
Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online
#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…
Watching an American beheading by either drug cartels or some random Middle East country properly fucked my head up at the ripe age of 12 or 13. I too experienced the phenomenon of feeling the media was downplaying the extent of the sheer and utter devastation that comes with war and invading countries. That video shook me good and still haunts me to this day… It made me aware of the atrocities of life and wanting to…
Not from liveleak, but a couple of years ago I read an article about a guy that got stuck in a cave a few km from the entrance after falling head-first into a crevice, and eventually died because nobody could get him out. It gave me nightmares for weeks, and even to this day just thinking about it makes me shudder. It's almost PTSD, even though I only read a second-hand retelling.
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The vast majority of car "accidents" (more properly collisions) are the predictable result of policy choices.
What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?
Middle of the road separation barriers.
Separate bike lanes, more like the sidewalks, not just painted lines on the car roads.
Roundabouts instead of crossings and traffic lights. (Roundabouts force the drivers to slow down. And on average, saves time I think)
More trains, buses, subways.
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> Can't fight fire with fire That aphorism has never really been true. If it's "fire" in the sense of projectile weapons, then of course you can. If it's "fire" in the sense of "forest fire," a controlled or prescribed burn is an oft-used technique to cut off a forest fire by creating an unburnable zone around it... The fire can't find fuel in an already-burned area, so it can no longer feed itself and dies out.
Can you fight hatred with hatred? Even if you end up killing those you hated, you'll still be worse off because the whole acting out against others was premised on others being responsible for the hatred you feel, which is false, the hatred is a projection of your own inner turmoil, so you'd still be hateful, and now you've sown the seed of hate yourself. Repeat until convinced. To use your example, it's like fightin…
Yes, this is probably a bad idea, on the other hand the "paradox of tolerance" is a thing. (Note that it should still apply to actions rather than ideas.)
Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online
#589This is a big loss and it comes at a time where it will soon be more needed than ever. The last years has been brutal to "free information". Ever since Trump became president it seems a lot of people has begged the tech giants to filter and censor. And now they do. I remember early 2020 when rumors about a new virus in China came out. There were very little news about it. But on YouTube and Twitter you could find sca…
I have noticed that every time someone mentions China in negative light, they get downvotes. Interesting.
Yeah, I had like 3 upvotes and then boom, were back up 0 points.
Weirdly, I don't feel what I wrote was even negative against China.
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utterly disgusting ... period. I almost want to vomit reading that. I hope you didn't watch that yourself. my point holds nonetheless.
I think you're being downvoted because you're point is really just whataboutism. It's perfectly valid to talk about the horrors committed without needing to point out that other groups do nasty things too.
it's not at all whataboutism because I'm not trying to justify either side.
and - being downvoted on HN becomes more and more an endorsement afaic tell.