LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by rocqua » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:46 AM UTC

lovelearning wrote: post #162

drdrey wrote: post #89

Serious question: how can we ensure stable and long lasting access to this kind of content, no matter how offensive, to journalists and researchers?

I feel decentralized storage and better tools are the key both for technical and social reasons. We should start looking at old data just like we look at old paintings, old parchment books and fossils - as things with inherent intangible value to be preserved for, and by, every generation. Centralized archives are single points of failures subject to political and business pressures. Political ideologies and their go…

Note that it is not just archiving, but also search, indexing, and discoverability that matters.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by argc » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #27

nickysielicki wrote: post #17

The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…

I saw someone killed on a lathe on liveleak and ever since that video I've taken tool safety EXTREMELY seriously. Like, I bought safety goggles and wear them for drilling random screws. I never even thought about it before that.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by c-c-c-c-c » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:49 AM UTC

imranq wrote: post #216

Why is there so much fetishization of violent content in the comments? Sure maybe liveleak provided some footage you couldn't get on youtube and that is indeed a loss, but to think that the violence you see represents the truth is just as bad as denying that any bad happens in the world. The world is far larger than any one mind can handle. I wouldn't judge it from a few videos taken out of context. The world can be…

What are you on about. Since when can you get shell-shock from watching videos online.

Its not fetishization but rather an unabridged edition of the footage you see on the news.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by plank_time » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:50 AM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #160

Barrin92 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Liveleak doesn't portray the reality of war because it shows you some beheading. Voyeurism and gore are not the same as genuine insight into what scary and violent places are actually like. It's worth reading Baudrillard's ' The Gulf War Did Not Take Place ' on how media representation, and stylized, selective footage is used to distort. You didn't get to know the 'reality' of war, but the hyper-reality of it. If you…

That's exactly the scary thing about war though. You can grow up, go to school, make friends, fall in love, fall out of love, graduate, move, make new friends, learn to cook, fall back in love, buy a home, get a job, get a new job, learn to paint, fix that leak in the kitchen... And then a car bomb goes off while you're walking by and all that time spent is gone.

But that’s life. I have 2 friends that died in a car accident. They were in their mid-20s. A split second accident. If they didn’t drive that night, they probably would never get as close to death as they did that night. But it happened and all their efforts were erased in a second. It’s not just war that causes that.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by kfprt » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:50 AM UTC

nanoshelter wrote: post #223

kfprt wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll never forget the video I saw on liveleak of a 5 year old who's hand was driven over by a car for stealing in Iran with the whole village watching. That minute of video did more to shape my views than anything else.

This was fake news and you fell for it. Look it up!

I have looked and never found anything, several times in fact. Do you have a source?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by c-c-c-c-c » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:51 AM UTC

syamilmj wrote: post #118

Probably a minority here - but I could not stomach the horrible comments on LiveLeak, especially because it almost seemed like they were all written by a bunch of really young audience.

Comments were removed a few years ago iirc. Atleast made totally unusable.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:52 AM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #132

moralestapia wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place It isn't, you are lucky to be in a privileged environment. And I don't even mean warzones. People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you.

> People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you. Considering they all go on living anyway, you’d say the good parts must outweigh the bad parts though.

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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ddingus » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:53 AM UTC

LeCow wrote: post #206

ddingus wrote: post #203

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Those are the worst. They have a mild case and there basically is no convincing them otherwise, unless someone close to them has a different experience.

I mean, that's 99.6% of everyone that gets it. In which case everything everyone here is saying has been blown out of proportion.

Actually, it was not, and is not now.

You are conflating outcomes with cases in progress.

To understand severity, work with outcomes and that is dead people divided by recovered people.

Infected people will eventually arrive at their outcome, but until they have actually ran their infection course, adding them into the risk assessment artificially marginalizes risk.

Early on, before we understood treatment, the outcome numbers, chance of someone dying was quite high, 7 percent or so depending.

It is currently a little over 1 percent and will likely improve as the science does, and our ability to treat cases is managed better. And that assumes we can get people vaccinated in high enough numbers to manage mutation rates.

So far, vaccinated people do not die. Vast improvement over the 1'ish percentage currently in play for unvaccinated people.

Without that, we run the very real risk of a mutation sending us back to the beginning.

I have had this exact conversation with people who died thinking their low risk assessment, dividing dead people by infected people, made sense.

It does not, and it does not because outcomes are being mixed in with cases in progress. It is like combining the wrong units and wondering why nature does not match the math.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by donatj » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:53 AM UTC

hellothere1337 wrote: post #34

Seeing a child trying to gather the pieces of his mother after getting shredded by an Apache gunship undermines government propaganda. If something makes you realize you're probably not always the good guy bringing democracy then that something is quite dangerous and it should be removed.

> that something is quite dangerous and it should be removed

You really took a left turn at the end there and I’m not sure if you were serious. Poe’s law in full effect, I’d argue the opposite. If something true challenges your narrative the only intellectually honest thing to do is embrace it.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Lammy » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:53 AM UTC

imranq wrote: post #216

Why is there so much fetishization of violent content in the comments? Sure maybe liveleak provided some footage you couldn't get on youtube and that is indeed a loss, but to think that the violence you see represents the truth is just as bad as denying that any bad happens in the world. The world is far larger than any one mind can handle. I wouldn't judge it from a few videos taken out of context. The world can be…

> it's easy to get PTSD from it. Browse responsibly

"Yeah, he's real cool when he's showing you those videos on LiveLeak, man. The bus full of children being blown up is really funny; that's a funny video." https://youtu.be/OQdHeNNWrj8?t=82